On Vegas Pro's timeline, placing the cursor at the end of a video event is actually showing the first frame of whatever video event is next on the timeline - even if there is no next video event and consequently a black frame shows. The same happens in pan/crop. In pan/crop, take the pan/crop cursor to the very end of its timeline and the image will be black - go back 1 frame and you'll get the last frame of that event's image.

Is it possible that Mocha Pro is processing the event + that last black frame thus making it 1 frame longer than the original video event on Vegas Pro's timeline? If yes, then it's just a matter of trimming back the Mocha Pro render by 1 frame to match the video event's length on Vegas Pro's timeline.

I've got to say that I've not experienced this behaviour when using Mocha Pro in the many years that I've been using Mocha Pro.

@Dexcon The image in the preview should be of the group of people in the next clip not the single man who is on the track above, that's why i thought it was a partial frame,

@Former user  ... yes, it could well be if non-quantized highlighting hasn't been activated in Vegas Pro. But looking again at the OP"s image upload, there does seem to be a 1 frame gap between the video images on the 2 video tracks. Unfortunately, the OP hasn't clearly explained what that image was representing - including the before and after.

@beaverbrook Hi, it's hard for me to explain Mocha but if you move the timeline cursor right to the end of the timeline, that is the start of the last frame,

You might have a partial frame at the end, Vegas says i have 165 frames 164 + a partial frame, Mocha shows 164 frames,

If you click Options - Quantize to frames - Show Unquantized Event Edges a red line will appear at the end where a partial frame is,

I've marked in green where the frame should end

Like i say it's hard to explain but here is a clip with no partial frame at the end, 650 frames in Vegas

& 650 in Mocha

There are 125 frames in Mocha Pro.
There are 126 frames in the Vegas timeline

It also appears that there are many "partial frames" before the frame in question, in my project. I suppose something is misaligned?

Is there some way to fix this misalignment?

Thank you.

Please check the suggestion made earlier by Gid - and that is to ensure that the 2 options under Options/Quantize to Frames have been checked. If the video event is not quantized the L and R edges of the event will display as red on Vegas Pro's timeline. If either or both do, then you'll need to align the event to a frame edge on the TL - this may involve having to zoom way in on the timeline to make the alignment (BTW its helpful to have the Snapping icon activated on the timeline's taskbar so that the event more easily snaps to a TL's frame edge.

If the other event edge still has a red edge, the length of the event will need to be reduced so that it aligns with the nearest inner TL frame edge. The arrows point in the following image point to the timeline's frame edges.

Please check the suggestion made earlier by Gid - and that is to ensure that the 2 options under Options/Quantize to Frames have been checked. If the video event is not quantized the L and R edges of the event will display as red on Vegas Pro's timeline. If either or both do, then you'll need to align the event to a frame edge on the TL - this may involve having to zoom way in on the timeline to make the alignment (BTW its helpful to have the Snapping icon activated on the timeline's taskbar so that the event more easily snaps to a TL's frame edge.

If the other event edge still has a red edge, the length of the event will need to be reduced so that it aligns with the nearest inner TL frame edge. The arrows point in the following image point to the timeline's frame edges.

Yes, I selected the quantize options.

But I found the problem.
The special effects are included in the frame if they are touching the frame from the RIGHT side edge.
The special effects are NOT included if they are touching the frame from the LEFT side edge.
This is why the last frame does not display the effect.

The solution is a bit of a hack, but it works. I have to shift the special effect frame one frame to the right. This includes it in every frame below it.

Thanks.

It's great that you've solved the problem - well done - but I must say that I've not encountered that issue during all the years that I've used OFX Mocha Pro in Vegas Pro.

(My comment) -  The image in the preview should be of the group of people in the next clip not the single man who is on the track above, that's why i thought it was a partial frame,

The special effects are included in the frame if they are touching the frame from the RIGHT side edge.
The special effects are NOT included if they are touching the frame from the LEFT side edge.

@beaverbrook I agree with @Dexcon I'm 99.99999% sure that's not right, every frame should have the effect whether it's touching, crossfading, composited or whatever & your other comment -

There are 125 frames in Mocha Pro.
There are 126 frames in the Vegas timeline

says there is something amiss, like in my pictures earlier with the partial frame with 125 frames in Mocha Pro.
but 126 frames in the Vegas timeline, It also doesn't explain why the image in my comment that I've quoted above has the wrong image in the preview compared to where the playback cursor is.

I think your Solution is a complete hack, you haven't solved the problem you've simply made an adjustment to cover up the problem, working like that will come back & bite you further down the rd.
 

@beaverbrook @Former user @Dexcon

Another variable that determines where cuts are made is Project Properties / Ruler / Ruler time format:

See this thread for example: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/unquantized-frames--135242/

@john_dennis Interesting thought & i did look at the OP's timeline for such a thin but didn't think an further.., I just looked at mine because I've been using Mocha so I have it on Absolute frames, opening Project Properties / Ruler / Ruler time format it too shows Absolute frames,

Looking at the OPs timeline it too is on Absolute Frames? would this have an effect like you suggest, maybe when the project was created & the timeline was set to SMPT....?

The state of the Ruler Format setting changes how the cursor moves along the timeline. As does the state of the Quantize switch. If cuts are made during different states of the switches, things can get complicated. I would think Absolute Frames would be rather safe, but...

Media frame rate and Project frame rate, do they match?

 

(My comment) -  The image in the preview should be of the group of people in the next clip not the single man who is on the track above, that's why i thought it was a partial frame,

The special effects are included in the frame if they are touching the frame from the RIGHT side edge.
The special effects are NOT included if they are touching the frame from the LEFT side edge.

@beaverbrook I agree with @Dexcon I'm 99.99999% sure that's not right, every frame should have the effect whether it's touching, crossfading, composited or whatever & your other comment -

There are 125 frames in Mocha Pro.
There are 126 frames in the Vegas timeline

says there is something amiss, like in my pictures earlier with the partial frame with 125 frames in Mocha Pro.
but 126 frames in the Vegas timeline, It also doesn't explain why the image in my comment that I've quoted above has the wrong image in the preview compared to where the playback cursor is.

I think your Solution is a complete hack, you haven't solved the problem you've simply made an adjustment to cover up the problem, working like that will come back & bite you further down the rd.
 

You have a point. I've removed it as the "solution".

@john_dennis Interesting thought & i did look at the OP's timeline for such a thin but didn't think an further.., I just looked at mine because I've been using Mocha so I have it on Absolute frames, opening Project Properties / Ruler / Ruler time format it too shows Absolute frames,

Looking at the OPs timeline it too is on Absolute Frames? would this have an effect like you suggest, maybe when the project was created & the timeline was set to SMPT....?

 

 

At first, I was on the ruler. As I tried to work out this problem, I have switched it to absolute frames, and then I reconfigured each split to end on a frame, rather than in-between a frame.

I am not on the computer now, so I'll have to look at some of these other ideas later to find a more "pure" solution.

Thanks.

The state of the Ruler Format setting changes how the cursor moves along the timeline. As does the state of the Quantize switch. If cuts are made during different states of the switches, things can get complicated. I would think Absolute Frames would be rather safe, but...

I was not originally on "absolute frames". Now I am. That might be what caused the problem.

In fact, that might be what is causing another problem where the cutout seems to sometimes "wobble" back and forth frame by frame. I'll have to check it out later.

Thanks for the ideas.

Media frame rate and Project frame rate, do they match?

No. And that's interesting.

I had a problem earlier regarding the preview rendering. Someone told me to change the project frame rate from 60 to 59.940 (Double NTSC), because Vegas doesn't support anything higher than 59.940 when doing a preview render, I think the explanation was (I don't know how or why it was originally at 60).

So I switched the project frame rate, but when I look at the media frame rate, it says 60.

The problem is, it is greyed out and I can't select it or alter it.

How can this be done, or otherwise resolved?

Thanks.

Adis-a wrote earlier:

Media frame rate and Project frame rate, do they match?

I suspect that the intent was to for you to make sure that the project settings in both Vegas Pro and Mocha Pro are the same. In Mocha Pro, check File/Preferences/Clip (tab) for the fps rate:

Media frame rate and Project frame rate, do they match?

I just saw this answer to another question on another forum.

He says "disable resample" will delete frames from the higher frame rate to match the lower frame rate.

But I already have this selected in my Project Properties window.

However, when I go to the clips properties window, it has a button called "Conform To Project Frame Rate".
When I click that button, the value changes from "1.000" to "0.999".

Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks

when I go to the clips properties window, it has a button called "Conform To Project Frame Rate".
When I click that button, the value changes from "1.000" to "0.999".

That shows that there is a difference between the video event's fps rate and the VP Project Properties video fps setting. Ideally, the Project Properties video settings should match the dominant video events used in the project.

I just saw this answer to another question on another forum. He says "disable resample" will delete frames from the higher frame rate to match the lower frame rate.

In VP's Project Properties window, click on the '?" in that window's header and scroll down to the Resample heading. There you can decide for yourself whether or not that advice on another forum has any application here.

Likewise, from the Properties window that appears by R clicking on a video event, click on the "?" in the window's header and have a look at the info about Playback and Undersample rates.

Media frame rate and Project frame rate, do they match?

I just saw this answer to another question on another forum.

He says "disable resample" will delete frames from the higher frame rate to match the lower frame rate.

But I already have this selected in my Project Properties window.

However, when I go to the clips properties window, it has a button called "Conform To Project Frame Rate".
When I click that button, the value changes from "1.000" to "0.999".

Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks

No.

Effectively, you're making media "snap to the grid". :)

Adis-a wrote earlier:

Media frame rate and Project frame rate, do they match?

I suspect that the intent was to for you to make sure that the project settings in both Vegas Pro and Mocha Pro are the same. In Mocha Pro, check File/Preferences/Clip (tab) for the fps rate:

 

Yes.

If they don't match you'll have either overlapping or a gap, like here:

One clip is 23,97 fps inside a 23,97 fps Project, the other, showing a gap in the timeline, is 25. If everything matches Project fps that should reflect in Mocha as well. I think, that is. :)

Adis-a wrote earlier:

Media frame rate and Project frame rate, do they match?

I suspect that the intent was to for you to make sure that the project settings in both Vegas Pro and Mocha Pro are the same. In Mocha Pro, check File/Preferences/Clip (tab) for the fps rate:

 

Yes.

If they don't match you'll have either overlapping or a gap, like here:

 

 

 

One clip is 23,97 fps inside a 23,97 fps Project, the other, showing a gap in the timeline, is 25. If everything matches Project fps that should reflect in Mocha as well. I think, that is. :)

Mocha Pro's frame rate was indeed different at like 24. But I switched it to 59.94 (the max) and it still didn't change the issue where I still have to place the top layer ending one frame extended to the right.