hi thf,

how did you install for 10 64bit?

thanks

Here's the actual page for the DebugMode Frame Server:
http://www.debugmode.com/frameserver/

I don't know what this thing is you're linking to but I'd probably not rush to give the guy your money.

Rob

I'd be very curious to know whether Satish has any knowledge of this.
It just doesn't feel right IMHO.

Tom

thats not a donation, it is a purchase , unless i am confused on the definition of donation

how did you install for 10 64bit?

I don't have 64-bit, just 32. :(

Satish seems to know about this (from his forums), I'm just confused.

It seems that a chap named Victor has been working on the code and has got it working in both 32bit and 64 bit in Windows 7 and even got an NDA from Sony?

The Discussion with Satish and others is here...

http://groups.google.com/group/frameserver-discuss/browse_thread/thread/f100902d3945d4c4

You'd need an NDA to do a render plugin (says on their site), but it doesn't answer the question of a) why does this guy have satish's code & b) how did he get the code?

Satish seems interested in having a copy of the code before the guys GPL's it but he doesn't want to hand a copy over. I don't have a problem with someone paying to GPL something (that's how blender got GPL'ed) but it seems strange to me that the guy who wrote the plugin just gave the code away to someone who wants to charge (a very very very tiny fee) for it.

Viktor's scheme seems reasonable in theory. Much better than the program fizzling out, since Satish himself doesn't appear to have the time or motivation to keep it going for 64-bit Vegas users, and there are no alternatives that I know of. It's a shame for Satish that he never charged for the program or asked for donations. I would happily have stumped up cash for the program and for upgrades.

Btw there is previous discussion on that forum here.

So, anyone donated and got 2.8 working in 64-bit?

I just realised that Frameserver is actually open source. The source code is here.

I have followed this situation for some time since I really wanted to be able to use Frameserver on newer OS and software.

About 2 years ago Satish made the source code available to everyone. If you will read on the FS Home Page at the bottom he invites developers to contact him should they wish to continue development on the product. Apparently Victor found a programmer or decided he could do the job for $200. He is asking for donations to recoup his investment in getting the product fixed and updated. He states that donations in excess of $200. will go to Satish.

The announcement for 2.8 is located on Frameserver Forums page in plain sight so it is unlikely that Satish does not know about it. (Nick's link above shows that Satish and Victor exchanged messages about development progress.)

I donated $15. and had the software, (both 32 bit and 64 bit versions), within an hour. Yes, it installs and works fine on W7/64 Vegas 10c/64 and I am very grateful to have this wonderful tool working again..

The $200 is really a cheap price for such a conversion; that figure would barely cover just the setup and configuration of the compiler, build scripts, libraries, etc that would be necessary to do this work, (asssuming no additional development software was needed) .

When you donate do you get the code right away too (That's required under GPL: when you hand out the binary you need to give access to the code)?

Didn't ask for it, don't want it, don't care, really. This is not an issue for me.

I got a badly needed piece of software that works!

Good news.

Is the garbled text in the image sequence type box now fixed?

Barnett,

Thanks for pointing me to this forum thread. I registered on the Sony forum, but they do not allow me to post on their forum without a Sony Vegas serial number. As I am using a trial version, I am not able to post on the forum.

I would appreciate if you could post on my behalf:
**************************************************
====Reply from VictorT===
Hello Everyone,

I felt the need for some clarification after reading posts on this forum:
DMFS is GPLd product. Everyone could obtain DMFS source code (public
portion) - it is available at the product web site. New development not always free. Satish is fully aware of this and he has no issues with recovering small amount(mostly symbolic) for the new development effort.
BTW, I released all new DMFS sources to him on 01/26/2011 following his suggestion/proposal (posted on DMFS forum):
http://groups.google.com/group/frameserver-discuss/msg/05064f951baa307d
-------------------- Suggestion to VictorT --------------------- May I suggest that in the interest of users (i.e. they pay and get the changes/fixed version), you can send me the code changes now and I will not make any releases until you have received enough donations?
I'm suggesting this because the last thing I want is for frameserver users to pay someone without any assurance that they'll get a working version for their payment.
Let me know what you think. You can rest assured that I will not take any credit for your work :)
--------------------

Regards,
Victor

"Is the garbled text in the image sequence type box now fixed?"

Yes. Mine shows a default of "PNG"

"I don't know what this thing is you're linking to but I'd probably not rush to give the guy your money."

This 64 bit conversion has been going on for a while and was thoroughly discussed on one of the Adobe message boards. I have no idea whether Satish "agreed" to the conversion, but it was clear that he was not putting any additional effort into updating DMFS and didn't oppose the effort. Obviously, the source code came from somewhere to the person who shepherded the 64 bit conversion. Here's the original thread:

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/727162?tstart=0

hmmm...not sure what everyone's problem is. if you want to frameserve Vegas10, it'll cost you $10 US. Personally, I donated $15 US. I had the software within an hour. it works very well on Vegas 10c 64 bit. Seems as if there's some people here that don't think it's worth a $10 US donation. That's your choice. Just dont take up a shixx load of bandwidth bitcxxing about it, ok.

Nobody's complained about paying, we're wondering if it's legit & safe. Big difference.

What could be "unsafe" about it? The donation is via Pay Pal. If you're really worried, scan the downloaded file explicitly with your virus scanner.

What you should really worry about is whether it works or not. So far no one has complained, but that's because this version is still 32 bits. It uses the Vegas 64 bit file I/O surrogate approach to allow access to Satish's 32 bit codec. According to the authors, the native 64 bit versions (Vegas and Premiere Pro) are still in development.

One caution, anyone running Win 7 64 bit and with their Vegas program folder on a drive other than C:, you might have to tinker to get this to work properly. This is a bug in the previous Satish 2.7 installer, which apparently has translated unabated to the new version.

EDIT: Sorry, I should have included this link.

Here's one solution to the install problem, but it doesn't work for everybody for some reason:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=740332

"unsafe" isn't necessarily the issue. Theft was what was on my mind since I'd recently read an article *somewhere* about several open source GPLd projects being sold online by people pretending it was their product. (maybe the article was on Phoronix?)

But if you want to get into the safety side of it, open source projects are supposed to make the source code available for anyone to inspect.

Anyway, it definitely seems like the two frameserver projects for Vegas and for PPro were at least sincere efforts and a working frameserver is worth money regardless of the politics of open source software.

Rob Mack

The PPro CS5 native x64 frame server is presently being beta tested, as people on the Adobe forum have made comments about bugs, performance, etc.. I assume that the Vegas native x64 version is not too far behind, as mostly these types of updates are just careful re-compiles of the x86 versions.

I could be wrong on this, but Satish's work was not open source under the GPL license. I believe that he made the source code available to the two x64 development teams.

My interest/emphasis was more towards whether everyone here had gotten the V2.8 frame server to work with Vegas Pro 10 x64.

I think it was open source but not under GPL. I don't know if there was any sort of licensing at all. Source code was available via SubVersion but it sounds like the Vegas developer hadn't been checking it back in since Satish had to ask for it.

It's evidently not a big deal but when a third party asks for money for something that had been free, open source, available at a different location, and created by someone else, alarm bells go off. It was just clumsy execution.

But the frameserver is a very useful tool and updates are always welcome. Just about everyone has told Satish that he ought to ask for donations.

Rob