Frequent problems trimming edges of events

Shenan wrote on 5/2/2010, 11:45 AM
I'm using 9.0c 64bit. I seem to be having this problem somewhat frequently: I go to a cut on my timeline and try to trim the edge of one of the events (by dragging with the mouse) and it will not do it - it just won't budge. I notice that the edges that have this problem don't show the blue triangles at the corner of that event. I try to trim by keyboard with the [ or ] key and it doesn't even highlight it in red like it's supposed to, and still won't trim. If I split the event and delete that problem end, it recovers the ability to trim, but then it makes the adjacent event have a phantom split that won't go away - it's a thick, light blue line that maintains a certain distance from the edge of the (adjacent) event, no matter how you trim it.

The fix seems to be to delete the entire event, or sometimes both adjacent events, and re-insert them. Frustrating.

I searched the net and this forum for an answer but couldn't find one. Does anyone have any ideas on how to prevent this from happening?

Thanks!

Comments

erikd wrote on 5/2/2010, 12:14 PM
I'm pretty sure your problem is because you actually have events on top of each other on the same video track. Next time you have this problem. Slide the video event up one track above. Look very carefully where you removed the video event. Is there another video event there? Is there a thin gray line which is actually very trimmed tiny event. This is one of the reasons for not being able to edit the way you want to.

Erik
Shenan wrote on 5/2/2010, 1:35 PM
Erik,

It looks like you're absolutely right. There was a tiny sliver of an event there, much smaller than one frame. It was just a line, no matter how much I zoomed in. Why does this happen? Any way to prevent it?

Thanks!

Shenan
rs170a wrote on 5/2/2010, 2:11 PM
I get those tiny slivers once every few months or so and have never figured out how or why they happen.
I just write it off to the gremlins, delete it and continue editing :-)

Mike
Shenan wrote on 5/2/2010, 2:32 PM
I've gotten them probably about half a dozen times in the course of a few days editing a five minute piece. I wonder if it's because I'm doing a lot of cutting and pasting.
farss wrote on 5/2/2010, 3:05 PM
" I wonder if it's because I'm doing a lot of cutting and pasting. "

Almost for certain.
Remember when you cut and paste or copy and paste you do it to everything in the Group.
Say you just want to copy the audio track, unless you switch on Ignore Event Grouping before you hit Copy you copy the audio and the video track. Make certain to turn Off IEG after you Copy.

I had the exact same trouble for a long time until I got my head around what Vegas does exactly.

Bob.
Shenan wrote on 5/2/2010, 7:40 PM
The weird thing is that I'm copying/cutting and pasting usually entire events, both video and audio together. It still seems like it shouldn't behave this way. Oh well, I'll just have to deal with it.

Thanks!
musicvid10 wrote on 5/2/2010, 8:01 PM
Make sure snapping is enabled.
Make sure Ignore Event Grouping is disabled.
Make sure Project Properties match Media Properties (IMPORTANT!).
Make sure Quantize to Frames is enabled.

Following this checklist, I have absolutely none of the problems you report.
erikd wrote on 5/2/2010, 8:05 PM
In my opinion there is no problem here. I believe the reason you are getting the tiny sliver events is because you are placing one event on top of another without realizing it. The replacement is almost the exact same size but just to the left or to the right which causes the underlying event to be sliced extra thin. Accidently activating the ctl>mouse drag duplicate clip function briefly is the easiest way to do this without realizing it.

I think if you are careful to make sure how cover existing events your problem will go away. Mine did many months ago when I realized what was happening. Only rarely do I get the tiny event issue and only when I made a mistake in editing.

Erik
willqen wrote on 5/3/2010, 12:03 AM
Make sure "Quantize to Frames" is enabled, and your "slivers" will never be smaller than a single frame of video.

There really is no reason to have this feature "off" when working with video, maybe with audio, but not video, as you would never use less than a frame of video anyway.

It will help you see things like this on the timeline, and help you track down just what it is you are doing exactly, to cause the problem.

Will