Frgnd/bkgnd separation,Mocha etc. 4 Vegas 14?

zdogg wrote on 6/9/2016, 12:57 AM
Going forward, how much is this a needed feature? for me, paramount.

Part of the beauty of Vegas is that you can do compositing right on the timeline
between tracks, and a more robust fgnd/bkgd seperation tool set would really
be powerful..... that said....

Vegas has the bezier curves, for example, but they are pretty clunky, though for some jobs they get it done.

For those who don't know what I am talking about, Those are part of the cropping tools available in the pan/crop window, and you draw the border of your subject directly onto the frame - they have straight lines and curves (Bezier) with handles that you clk on and pull to adjust curve depth so you don't have to draw curves directly.

Along with color separation, via chroma keying, those are the two main ways for separating foreground from background. The trick is, as most of you know too well, animating those curves frame to frame to match the subject movement. Close doesn't count, you really need to be super precise. And you are often using a combination of those two main tools, chroma key and drawn in border outlines.


3rd party?

I like Mocha, and it opens from inside of After Effects and is elegantly
implemented there.

I would like to see this - along with maybe some other 3rd party implementation
of high end compositing tools, or have the existing tools vastly improved upon.

What say you forum users? Gary and developers? Doable? Magix? Are you listening?

I know there is a wishlist already but this is really its own topic, 3rd party implementation. After Effects has those tools, but for really fine and fast powerful work, they provide that extra level of Mocha... Just a huge time savor and not too difficult to learn. I think the cost would not be much as the Mocha version provided is their basic level....they seek to hook people who'd then order the high end version, but even their basic is lightyears ahead of Vegas and quite a bit better than AE....just a FYI

Comments

videoITguy wrote on 6/9/2016, 8:25 AM
In order to encourage 3rd party developers to move forward with a script or plug-in or yet a standalone supporting app - they have to perceive that the marketplace is there to support it. This is just as true for the 'accessory' as it is for the main application.

What is more difficult ... to determine IS whether the market out there is really not already satisfied by going a different route (hence think AE support). That is not to say these ideas are not worth floating - but the real world is a hotbed of competition for ideas and implementation strategies.
rmack350 wrote on 6/9/2016, 1:02 PM
It's worth thinking about, but if I was a program manager I'd probably be thinking about whether I could keep the staff on board to provide continued support and development over the next 12 to 20 years.

Take, for example, the clunky bezier tools that currently exist. Keyframeable bezier tools are nice (essential) for grading. But if they need refinement that's a maintenance cost.

Every new feature has a cost in terms of maintenance and support, and eventually you can have a product that's so broad that you can't keep up with maintenance. So, perhaps the better approach is to either work on your plugin architecture or to work on your round-trip workflow.