FX returns

PipelineAudio wrote on 8/3/2000, 6:16 PM

Is there any way real time fx returns could be had in
vegas? I can send out on an aux bus, yet there is no way to
return from the outside world.

I realize there are severe limitations from the windows
interface, but there must be some workaround.

The whole issue of latency, true input, and non-existant
thoughput is a BIG ugly monster that needs to be addressed
sometime. The whole idea and concept of the way Vegas, and
any other PC software, handles inputs and outputs, is
thoroughly NON-professional. It has been a fun ride, using
Vegas up to its capabilities, and seeing how much more
productive you can be with the feature set the way it is.
But I think its time for DAW's to grow up

A way MUST be made for these programs to have a TRUE auto
input function. I dont care how many work arounds people
come up with, it will always be a severe limitation till
this is implemented

Soon after this is figured out and the whole issue of
latency is thrown out the window, I think fx returns could
be implemented

It would take a HUGE amount of brainstorming to accomplish
this, I realize. Probably a whole new I/O system, similar
to ASIO, but ASIO has its limits as well. It may be that we
have to throw all our hardware away, but if it works, so be
it

I would call this task impossible, except the fact that you
are the company that brought soundforge and Acid to the
market, I know you guys can do it

Vegas has been fun, but I think its time for you guys to
lead the way into a truly professional PC DAW system

Comments

PipelineAudio wrote on 8/4/2000, 7:26 AM

>>I will tell you that my 1400ms latency is working fine. We just
tell
>>our clients to start playing 1 beat ahead of the metronome and
>>everything works perfect.


Could you imagine, The Great One, Yngwie Malmsteen, recording on a
currently constricted PC DAW?

Im sure he would say, "100 miliseconds of latency? no prob, just hit
record, I'll catch it"

Never mind the fact that he could play 50 notes before the computer
let him hear the first one!!!

I wanna see the crime scene and coroner photos from that session!
tmrpro wrote on 5/31/2003, 9:46 AM
..."Soon after this is figured out and the whole issue of
latency is thrown out the window, I think fx returns could
be implemented"...

Hey Pipe,

I wouldn't mind using tracks as FX returns and recording the effect (unlimited tracks ... what the heck!)

But definately need the auto input...

:)

TMR
farss wrote on 5/31/2003, 10:11 AM
I'm no real expert in audio but I think I safely say its just not possible.
Think back (depending on how old you are!) to those 24 track analogue tape decks. Each head reads the signal at the same instant, apart from mechanical limitations you could build a deck that had 100 tracks and still have the same negligable latency.

So we go to NLE systems. Each one of those tracks is now stored in a different place on a HD, the heads have to move backwards and forwards to read each and every track. As you record back the new tracks are being interleaved making the heads do even more dancing around. And all this is before you consider A/D and D/A conversion times.

Certainly with SCSI RAID disk arrays you can minimize this and you can get pretty fast D/A and A/D conversion but its not infinately scaleable. You could reduce the problems by using RAM disk arrays, again you've reduced the problem not eliminated it and blown the cost through the roof.

It may be possible to build a system using one disk per track with dedicated DACs, basically a digital implementation of what 24 track analogue decks were. It would be very expensive, all custom hardware and software. Maybe its already been done, sure as hell would be out of the price range of mere mortals.