Getting 24p and 29.97 to play nicely

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MUTTLEY wrote on 5/30/2009, 11:26 AM

lol, I don't have that one either.

I have:

Canopus HQ
Microsoft RLE
Microsoft Video 1
Intel IYUV codec
Cinepak Codec by Radius
proDAD Saver for Mercalli
Xvid MPEG-4 Codec
Full Frames (Uncompressed)

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winrockpost wrote on 5/30/2009, 11:27 AM
Ray you probably have already done so,but when converting with vegas, as fridge said make sure you have the interlace box checked either as blend or interrupt , I have had decent results with one or the other but not none.
good luck
MUTTLEY wrote on 5/30/2009, 11:29 AM

Thanks Win, pretty sure it was, that's the default and I know I didn't change it. Pretty sure I remember it being blended.

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kairosmatt wrote on 5/30/2009, 11:30 AM
Just did a test. DO NOT use microsoft's MPEG4 codec. yikes
MUTTLEY wrote on 5/30/2009, 11:38 AM

egads, how many Raylight options do I need?

Which one should I download and install?

http://dvfilm.com/raylight/index.htm

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kairosmatt wrote on 5/30/2009, 11:41 AM
Before you buy Raylight, did you give Lagarath a try? I just did a simple test, and it seems really good. That way you are not out extra cash for the codec, but you can still test DVFilmaker.

The Raylight Ultra is the one that you are looking for, but I don't know if the free trial watermarks anything.
kairosmatt wrote on 5/30/2009, 3:17 PM
Ray, have you had any luck getting rid of the interlacing issues?
corug7 wrote on 5/31/2009, 7:14 AM
Ray,

It sounds like you're going at this the wrong way. Try these settings:

Timeline at 23.98 progressive
De-interlace properties set to blend or interpolate (you need this for the 29.97 footage)
Make sure 23.98 clips are set to progressive and 29.97 clips are set to Upper Field First with resampling turned OFF in the clip properties (or else you will get frame blending). You can keep the resampling on for any slo-mo stuff.

That should do it. I just completed a large project with clips with multiple framerates and this did the trick. If you have the time, you may want to render out the 29.97 footage to 23.98 first so that you don't need to set de-interlacing properties on the 23.98 timeline, as that can lead to artifacting if you are zooming in or using some effects.

Hope this helped.

Corey

Also, I use HuffYUV as an intermediate flie all the time and though the files can be large, they retain quality quite well and are much smaller than uncompressed.
Laurence wrote on 5/31/2009, 7:39 AM
Just the portions that were 1080 29.97, the ones that were "24a", which I guess is this cameras simulation of 24p, look okay.

This mode on a Z7 is a true 24p mode by the way. The "a" is just related to pulldown that is added so that the 24p can be written to tape. On this camera you can record 24p without the pulldown if you go straight to CF card, but you need to add some sort of pulldown to make it work with tape. Either way, the final result is the same: full resolution 1440x1080x24p video. Maybe not quite up to the look of your EX1, but very good none-the-less.
MUTTLEY wrote on 5/31/2009, 8:21 AM

Hey Kairo, thanks for asking, haven't found a resolve yet. Due to time I had to switch gears before trying DVFilmaker. Somewhere in the program or documentation it said that it would take approximately 10 mins per one minute of footage. As this is a pretty big project (around 3 hours) and a deadline of about two days I decided to forge ahead with importing and editing the second two hours and hopefully come back to fiddle with the interlacing. I lost a good day and a half trying different settings, rendering out, and burning to DVD without much success. Not giving up on finding a solution but was kind of dying on the vine and seemed like this would be a better course.

Once I've gotten through the editing I'll go back to problem solving and try Corey's suggestions as well as DVFilmmaker, I just would hate to hand this over as is.

Thanks everyone for all the info and input, when stuff like this comes up these forums do a lot to help me feel like I got someone in my corner and I'm not just out there on a limb alone!

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MUTTLEY wrote on 5/31/2009, 3:53 PM
Okay, this is driving me crazy. Here's the update:

It was bugging me that this one cameras one tape was 29.97, just didn't seem right. According to the folks who shot it the cameras settings had been checked though when Vegas imported it as 29.97 we assumed that there had been an oversight. Today on a hunch or a lark or whatever you want to call it I reimported that tape. This time it came in at 23.96. Whoot! Problem solved right? Not so much. Rendering it out as NTSC DV Widescreen 24p (2-3-3-2 pulldown), brought it into DVDA, burned the disk ... INTERLACING! I'm loosing my mind on this. The footage on the timeline looks fine, the rendered file looks fine, the DVD looks like crap. What in the name of God could I be missing?

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P.S. And has anyone ever seen Vegas import the footage wrong? I've never had that happen EVER. I didn't change a thing in between captures and of the 12 tapes only one showed up as 29.97 but then recapturing the SAME tape with nothing changed showed up as 23.976 the second time around.