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User-3156 wrote on 5/28/2000, 7:07 AM
john wrote:
>>Can anyone tell me how to get VegasPro to lock to time-code
>>from a Sony 9 pin RS-422 deck? Is there some additional
>>hardware I need?
>>Vegas Pro is great for Video Post but I wish I could
>>transfer the audio in and out directly to a Video deck
>>with time-code accuracy.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>John

Don't waste your time, John. It won't happen.Vegas doesn't have that
capability.
You CAN'T even record and monitor at the same time unless you use
external
hardware; sync is a joke and you can't apply effects to individual
tracks!!!! MMC is not part of the upgrade in the works. And YOU WILL
PAY for
this upgrade, I must
remind you.
Can you do something better with your money? No doubt.
I got all kinds of insults when I first mentioned this things. But it
doesn't matter; my loyalty is not with any software company. My
loyalty is with my fellow musicians.
I believe in FAIRNESS. Example? Acid Pro should cost more and Vegas
less!!!! Why? Very simple: Acid Pro is a very UNIQUE, INNOVATIVE
product that WORKS AS ADVERTISED. Vegas is just Acid masqueraded as a
multitracker.
Do the math:
Vegas cost $399. By the time you are finished setting up the program,
getting to understand the limitations and devise workarounds to deal
with the limitations (like using other software to record and then
transfer the tracks to Vegas for mixing), how much do you think you
are paying for VegasPro?
If, for the sake of conversation, you break it down like this, you
have:
1. 10 hrs. calling tech support an checking forums like this one
2. 15 hrs coming up with the "workarounds"
3. X number of hrs. spent doing transfers that shouldn't be done
4. The cost of other software to record your tracks!!!!!
If you make, say, $30/hr, how much money have you invested on a
PROMISING product? THOUSANDS!!!
Notice that I didn't include the cost of upgrades!!!
Is this a good deal? Certainly not.
Solution? For around $1700 you can get Nuendo + Digi9652, a combo
that WORKS as advertised: PERFECT sync, 3ms LATENCY, EFFECTS on
tracks, etc. Automation? FX included? You name it, it does it. It
will even do MIDI!!!!
Setup time: no more than 1 hr.

Why do I post this on this forum? Because maybe SonicFoundry will
finally LISTEN to its customers and decide to treat them WITH RESPECT
and FAIRNESS (Check post 2002. MMC on list but NOT for V2.0! Can you
believe it?). Their stock answer "If you don't like it, don't use it!"
(Post 1936) is fine for people like me, who have the BAD HABIT of
INVESTIGATING
BEFORE BUYING. But is it a good answer for the VICTIMS that bought a
NON-RETURNABLE product?
(There's a way to get your money back: Take them to court!!! If the
product doesn't work as advertised, they'll have to return your
money...not to mention the cost of litigation. At least here, in the
USA!)

$399 is WAY TOO MUCH for this type of software. Period.
CDM wrote on 5/28/2000, 3:36 PM
Hi John -
I've been doing my best to stay away from any of Irvin's repetitive
and poorly researched posts but I feel that in fairness to you and
your simple and unopinionated question that I should respond.

The first answer is to say that Vegas syncs to MTC and not SMPTE. So,
in order to get sync behavior you need to run your LTC through a box
such as Midi Xpress XT (or something better). I have a DA-38 in my
studio that I sometimes track to (as well as directly to Vegas) and I
am able to transfer tracks with perfect sync accuracy from the DA-38
(and their MMC box) to the Midi Xpress and then to Vegas. 8 tracks in
at a time with the Layla and an O3D. I haven't experienced any real
problems there. You may have to play with the free-wheel, etc. but it
does work. This isn't to say that Vegas is the best at sync and I
don't believe they would claim to be at this point. This is a 1.0
piece of software remember, and quite impressive at that. 2.0 is
probably a little better at sync, though I can't say I've played
around with this extensively. So, that having been said, you should
be able to do waht you want to do as soon as you convert your smpte
to MTC. Peter Haller would probably be able to field this question
much more thoroughly.

An aside - many people may not realize that there is something called
the Sonic Foundry Virtual Midi Router on the CD which allows you to
assign a port on your midi controller to allow syncing of internal
programs: i.e. sync Vegas to Acid or vice versa. Handy little feature.

Ok, I can't resist a few responses to some of Irvin's claims. First,
your claim that Vegas can't monitor playback while recording. What
are you talking about? As long as you have a sound card that supports
this, what's the problem? How else are you supposed to do this? And
where in the Vegas manual or press releases does it say that it
sync's to smpte? And, what do you mean that you can apply effects to
individual tracks? Have you even used this program? Granted, in 1.0,
they hadn't implemented support for all directX fx on the track FX,
but you can do it with the busses and if you have XFX 1, 2 or 3
version c you can use some of those effects as track fx. In 2.0, you
can use any directX fx as track fx, not to mention a myriad other
features that have been improved/added. But even so, 1.0 packs a
punch for starters.

Anyway, I digress. Darn - I didn't want to. John, I hope this was
somewhat helpful.

john wrote:
>>Can anyone tell me how to get VegasPro to lock to time-code
>>from a Sony 9 pin RS-422 deck? Is there some additional
>>hardware I need?
>>Vegas Pro is great for Video Post but I wish I could
>>transfer the audio in and out directly to a Video deck
>>with time-code accuracy.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>John
User-3156 wrote on 5/28/2000, 11:29 PM

Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>Hi John -
>>I've been doing my best to stay away from any of Irvin's repetitive
>>and poorly researched posts but I feel that in fairness to you and
>>your simple and unopinionated question that I should respond.
>>
>>The first answer is to say that Vegas syncs to MTC and not SMPTE.
So, in order to get sync behavior you need to run your LTC through a
box such as Midi Xpress XT...
>> This isn't to say that Vegas is the best at sync...
>> This is a 1.0 piece of software remember...
>>What do you mean that you can apply effects to individual tracks?
Have you even used this program? Granted, in
1.0, they hadn't implemented support for all directX fx on the track
FX...But even so, 1.0 packs a punch for starters...
>>Anyway, I digress. Darn - I didn't want to. John, I hope this was
>>somewhat helpful.


Thanx a lot for a nice, if naive, attempt at a refutation, Charles.
All I said in my post has been CONFIRMED BY YOU.
It is there, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, minus the CONTORTIONS you go through
trying to discredit my LEGITIMATE POINTS.
Sync? No sync, but we can lie a little bit there...
FX on tracks? No Fx, but maybe you will believe this...
Monitoring? The latency thing makes it impossible, but we can give
you this misleading explanation...
Complete sofware? Not complete, but what do you expect? This is a
first release... (the price is very MATURE, though!)
However IF YOU BUY a MIDIXPress or some thing else, IF YOU BUY Xfx,
IF YOU BUY the upgrade, IF YOU BUY my lies, IF YOU BUY...
You get the idea!

Poorly researched points on my part?
Are you sure? Who's the one stuck with the beast in Denialland?

MixNut wrote on 5/30/2000, 10:15 AM
John,

One important point...You'll need an LTC-to-MTC sync interface that
also provides stable WordClock Out to your converters...Otherwise,
VEGAS "varipitches" it's sample clock to follow drifts in the
timecode...This causes audible pitch artifacting in playback and
recorded file.

I'm using the MOTU MTP/AV...Works fine SO LONG AS THE CONVERTERS
(1224) are locked to the MTP's Word clock output.

Best of luck...

David

Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>Hi John -
>>I've been doing my best to stay away from any of Irvin's repetitive
>>and poorly researched posts but I feel that in fairness to you and
>>your simple and unopinionated question that I should respond.
>>
>>The first answer is to say that Vegas syncs to MTC and not SMPTE.
So,
>>in order to get sync behavior you need to run your LTC through a
box
>>such as Midi Xpress XT (or something better). I have a DA-38 in my
>>studio that I sometimes track to (as well as directly to Vegas) and
I
>>am able to transfer tracks with perfect sync accuracy from the DA-
38
>>(and their MMC box) to the Midi Xpress and then to Vegas. 8 tracks
in
>>at a time with the Layla and an O3D. I haven't experienced any real
>>problems there. You may have to play with the free-wheel, etc. but
it
>>does work. This isn't to say that Vegas is the best at sync and I
>>don't believe they would claim to be at this point. This is a 1.0
>>piece of software remember, and quite impressive at that. 2.0 is
>>probably a little better at sync, though I can't say I've played
>>around with this extensively. So, that having been said, you should
>>be able to do waht you want to do as soon as you convert your smpte
>>to MTC. Peter Haller would probably be able to field this question
>>much more thoroughly.
>>
>>An aside - many people may not realize that there is something
called
>>the Sonic Foundry Virtual Midi Router on the CD which allows you to
>>assign a port on your midi controller to allow syncing of internal
>>programs: i.e. sync Vegas to Acid or vice versa. Handy little
feature.
>>
>>Ok, I can't resist a few responses to some of Irvin's claims.
First,
>>your claim that Vegas can't monitor playback while recording. What
>>are you talking about? As long as you have a sound card that
supports
>>this, what's the problem? How else are you supposed to do this? And
>>where in the Vegas manual or press releases does it say that it
>>sync's to smpte? And, what do you mean that you can apply effects
to
>>individual tracks? Have you even used this program? Granted, in
1.0,
>>they hadn't implemented support for all directX fx on the track FX,
>>but you can do it with the busses and if you have XFX 1, 2 or 3
>>version c you can use some of those effects as track fx. In 2.0,
you
>>can use any directX fx as track fx, not to mention a myriad other
>>features that have been improved/added. But even so, 1.0 packs a
>>punch for starters.
>>
>>Anyway, I digress. Darn - I didn't want to. John, I hope this was
>>somewhat helpful.
>>
>>john wrote:
>>>>Can anyone tell me how to get VegasPro to lock to time-code
>>>>from a Sony 9 pin RS-422 deck? Is there some additional
>>>>hardware I need?
>>>>Vegas Pro is great for Video Post but I wish I could
>>>>transfer the audio in and out directly to a Video deck
>>>>with time-code accuracy.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>John
pwppch wrote on 5/30/2000, 2:49 PM
Vegas does not support Sony 9 pin directly. Vegas will slave to MIDI
Time Code (MTC). You will need a reader/converter to do this.

To achieve the best results you should also make sure that your audio
hardware and video hardware are sync'd to a common clock. If this is
not done, then you will get drift over time.

Peter


john wrote:
>>Can anyone tell me how to get VegasPro to lock to time-code
>>from a Sony 9 pin RS-422 deck? Is there some additional
>>hardware I need?
>>Vegas Pro is great for Video Post but I wish I could
>>transfer the audio in and out directly to a Video deck
>>with time-code accuracy.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>John
rejdmast wrote on 5/31/2000, 1:04 AM
My audio and video is all locked to house sync. Thanks to all of you
for your replies. I think I have enough information now to figure
everything out.
John

Peter Haller wrote:
>>Vegas does not support Sony 9 pin directly. Vegas will slave to
MIDI
>>Time Code (MTC). You will need a reader/converter to do this.
>>
>>To achieve the best results you should also make sure that your
audio
>>hardware and video hardware are sync'd to a common clock. If this
is
>>not done, then you will get drift over time.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
>>john wrote:
>>>>Can anyone tell me how to get VegasPro to lock to time-code
>>>>from a Sony 9 pin RS-422 deck? Is there some additional
>>>>hardware I need?
>>>>Vegas Pro is great for Video Post but I wish I could
>>>>transfer the audio in and out directly to a Video deck
>>>>with time-code accuracy.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>John