Giving up on Vegas Video!

firefighter wrote on 1/31/2003, 9:12 PM
Well I've had it. I cannot get this program to work. Actually the problem doesn't seem to be the program as much as someting in the computer. I cannot print to tape without sporadic blue screens appearing on the tape. I have bought new IEEE cards, changed IRQs, moved cards, stopped all other programs, reinstalled the program, updated drivers ad infinitum. I have had friendly help from SoFo but all to no avail. I have also tried Ulead VideoStudio and Videowave. I have the same problem with all of them. So its not Vegas' fault. Just this damn Dell. I have access to a Casablanca Kron with all the extras so I will probably use that. If I come back to PC editing I will probably gwet a preconfigured set up. Bye now.

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swarrine wrote on 1/31/2003, 9:28 PM
Since you know it is your computer...

Vegas will run on almost any PC built in the last 2-3 years. A working PC, of course.

BillyBoy wrote on 1/31/2003, 10:28 PM
I even got VV to run on my s l o w Pentium II 400. But is sure was slow.
firefighter wrote on 1/31/2003, 10:32 PM
It runs. I can capture perfectly, I can edit and I can make AVI movies that play back perfectly. It just won't print to tape. This is aP4 1.8G 512MB 80 GBHD Dell 8200.
DataMeister wrote on 1/31/2003, 10:47 PM
I would assume you've applied all of the updates to be found from Windows Update?

JBJones
jrsunshine wrote on 1/31/2003, 10:48 PM
What Camcorder are you using? I find my GL-2 to be more finicki than my Sony TRV-120 with print to tape.
DataMeister wrote on 1/31/2003, 10:50 PM
Also is there anything else plugged into the firewire card other than your camera (what your printing to tape with)?

JBJones
RichR wrote on 1/31/2003, 11:48 PM
Don't give up on Vegas. It's a great editing program. I've got it running on 3 different computers with no problems at all. Your computer certainly has enough of everything in it for Vegas. Except for an additional drive. I don't think it's agood idea to use your system drive for video, if that's what you're doing. I use an external firewire drive or extra drives in the computer attached to an ide contoller card.
HeeHee wrote on 2/1/2003, 1:47 AM
I'm thinking it is not so much the PC as the Camera. Try using someone else's system with an NLE that will print to tape. If it happens there then you have something wrong with your camera.
Grazie wrote on 2/1/2003, 1:48 AM
Hiyah FF - Wondered where you'd gone! You reaaallly sound peed-off! Sorry matey . .

I've got a few last questions/requests to make:

1. - "This is aP4 1.8G 512MB 80 GBHD Dell 8200" A Dell what? Stand-alone pc or Laptop?

2. - Okay, I hear you have blue screen on PTTing. Is this on the actual preview on the cammy WHILE you are PTTing OR have you seen this when show your work on a TV screen? That is, does your cammy "record" consistent timecode?

3. - I can't remember if you tried to listen to "hear" if your fan/s switched on/off AT the same time you got blue screen - Did you do this test?

4. - Did you unplug all USB devices?

For what it is worth, I too get Blue screen and have traced it down to USB callouts to scanners and printers. I also get Blue screens when my Dell Inspiron's cooling system makes a callout via the BIOS - this is a sure bet - my fan/s switch on/off and so does my PTT process - GO figure that!

If you don't get back to us - Go well & Be Happy!

Seeyah,

Grazie
BillyBoy wrote on 2/1/2003, 8:50 AM
I had a can't print to tape problem for about the first five minutes I had Vegas.
Generally it is the camera or something with the firewire card.

Are you trying to print to tape from the timeline?

Have you tried to render a file to disk, then 'print to tape' from that?

That's what I always do, works flawlessly every time.
Tyler.Durden wrote on 2/1/2003, 11:10 AM
Well, that's a bummer FF...

I can understand your frustration though.

You can always use Vegas to edit if you like it's workflow, and output with some other app.

Whatever you decide to do, keep making movies; that's what we're all here to enjoy. If you ocassionally give Vegas a poke, we'll be around to lend our comraderie.


Regards, MPH


PAW wrote on 2/1/2003, 1:05 PM

I wouldn't blame the logo on the box, it doesn't sound hardware related.

I have had problems and often the only solution is to rebuild the system from scratch.

It should take a day and is probably quicker in the long run than trying to fix the exisitng environment.

Not great help I know, just shared experience.
firefighter wrote on 2/1/2003, 2:34 PM
I GOT IT! I needed to update the BIOS on the motherboard. Did that and it seems to work fine now :) I have some spare fire wire cards, but what the heh. I can leave all my USB devices connected and I don't have to shut down any programs and it still works! Even with just the single drive. OK I'm only basing it on a 2:17 sec production with only a couple of transitions but many, many scenes. But its working. We'll go to longer things from here. Thanks to SoFo support who finally advised me the right thing.:>)
rextilleon wrote on 2/1/2003, 5:02 PM
Glad you are still with us---I sensed your frustration and didn't want to lose you as user---GREAT NEWS!
wcoxe1 wrote on 2/1/2003, 9:26 PM
Just one more note. Glad you solved your problem. Someone helped me with mine, or I may NEVER have figured it out. So, I'll pass it on.

Turned out that my brand new 1394 CABLE was bad. Intermittent problems, just like firefighter's, ONLY during print to tape. Just happened to have a friend who handed me another one and said stop pulling your hair out and try this. Worked perfectly. The first one was BRAND NEW, mine you, and had problems. Have not had a problem since VV3.0a.

LOVE the new print to tape with STICKY (more permanent) Pre-renders. And, the ability to assemble a single project .avi from all those prerenders, WOW! Worth the price all by itself.
Grazie wrote on 2/1/2003, 11:12 PM
This is brilliant news! I'm really glad you are going to remain here.

FF tell me about the BIOS upgrade for the Motherboard? Did you get this upgrade from DELL directly?

Grazie
PAW wrote on 2/2/2003, 3:53 AM

Oops, How wrong was I - glad you have fixed the problem.
newbe wrote on 2/2/2003, 9:31 AM
BillyBoy, what do you mean by "Have you tried to render a file to disk, then 'print to tape' from that"?
Thanks.
firefighter wrote on 2/2/2003, 12:38 PM
Grazie,
Yes I got it directly from the Dell website. Seems like I was using version 01 and they were already on version 09!!
watson wrote on 2/2/2003, 1:25 PM
This might be a good time to start a positive thred and let this subject line wither.
Jmho
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Grazie wrote on 2/2/2003, 3:43 PM
This reeeeally pees me off! Big Time!

- FF you had to put up with a BIOS some 9 versions old? - Was this a new pc you put VV on? Hells BElls!

- Anyways, you got it yes? I must add a word of caution - my Dell Inspiron is on A09 - they're now up to A22 or 23. There was a run of A17 - 20 that gave a lot issues to people. Check out thier Forums and the text info on the BIOS upgrades - well beyond me! - I was under the illusion you had a squeaky clean functioning BIOS. If I'd know any different I might have offered you the option of you checking out the BIOS stuff - But with plenty of caveats!

I can also give you a link which will show you a typical "blue screen" experience of an Inspiron user - if you are interested. It was soooo.... akin to my "blue screen" experience that I tried the solution - it was and IS the Fangui thing.

FF - do you want the link? BIOS upgrading can be scary stuff. I'm impressed with what you did. Oh yes - when I mentioned to SoFo tech, and told them of the fan/s issue, they thank me for my feedback and said they had not heard of this before - ie the fan/s tripping the firwire flow via the BIOS set-up. Soooo.... maybe someone within SoFo is looking carefully at us Dell Users - Hmmmmmm . . . .

Grazie
firefighter wrote on 2/2/2003, 7:20 PM
G,
Actually the computer was about 1 year old (ancient:)) When I decided to put VV on it. I went from A01 to A09 on the Bios. No one asked me how old the computer was just what was I running! How do you know if you have a 'squecky clean functioning BIOS'? I didn't have any problems with other programs - how was I to know. :)
Grazie wrote on 2/2/2003, 7:54 PM
Good point FF. Soooo... In future, when someone asks for help it would be advisable to ask them for the latest update "dates" - yes?

When you say, "updated drivers ad infinitum." and your contact with SoFo - when did the penny drop with SoFo Tech to ask you to update your BIOS - what was the actual "lead" offered to go down that route? - Just curious y'know. - Just so I can possibly throw this in when in the future some other person is being affected in Dell "blue-screening" effects. It would be really neat to have this type of "trigger" to alert me to the same thing - yes? Oh yes, my Inspiron is now nearly 2 years old, it still has the original BIOS. The Inspy is still punching away . . . loaded VV on it at Christmas . . . and yes you're correct - how does one know one has a problem, if everything is working as it should. "We know What We know".

Reeealllly glad you got going. I know how tantalizingly frustrating it is to have everything in place and then to have that very, very last process blow out on you - yes?

Hope we discuss VV stuff real soon,

Grazie
deef wrote on 2/3/2003, 1:50 AM
Thanks for the feedback!!

Here is the on-line support doc related to Video Capture and Print:
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/support/SupportProduct.asp?FamilyID=30&Family=Vegas&TopicID=89&DetailID=879

We will add the info from this thread related to:
-BIOS upgrading
-DELL issue with USB scanner/printer fingering and fan control

Thanks again!!