Good News from Sony!

vitalforce2 wrote on 9/20/2003, 2:35 PM
Hey forum brothers & sisters: I was just browsing through the Digital Producer website (better than working here in my office on a Saturday) and there's a very promising comment by senior management at Sony Pictures Digital about not merely the survival of Vegas, but its future growth.

Here's the site:http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/

OK, lazy ones, here's the cut & pasted text of the article from the site (all following text is the article itself, and no comments by me):

Sound Forge, Vegas and Sony: A Good Fit
Nothing but good things ahead, says Sony's Andrew Schneider
By Frank Moldstad
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With the ink still drying on Sony's acquisition of the media assets of Sonic Foundry, some users might be waiting for the other shoe to drop. But there is no other shoe, just continuing development and innovations with the applications, which include Vegas, Sound Forge and ACID, says Andrew Schneider, Senior VP/GM of Sony's Screenblast Business Unit.

The first thought that occurred to many users of the highly regarded audio and video programs upon hearing about the acquisition was: "What's going to happen with my application now?" No one wants to see their favorite application suddenly folded into another one or a platform be dropped altogether, as with the PC version of Logic Audio when Apple acquired Emagic.

But Sony Pictures Digital is committed to the Sonic Foundry products and their user base -- and also to the development team, which joined Sony from Sonic Foundry, says Schneider. He notes that Sony Pictures Digital and Sonic Foundry already had a relationship that began in 1999 with the development of Screenblast Movie Studio video editing software and Screenblast Acid Pro, both Sony-branded consumer applications.

As we grew to know the Sonic Foundry team and management, we really came to admire not only their engineering, but their passion and dedication to what they were doing," Schneider says. "Certainly their products have been standard-setters in the industry for many years, and we saw a bigger opportunity to offer an entire line of software solutions from mass consumer applications all the way up to professional and broadcast applications."

He adds that users of products such as Sound Forge and Vegas can feel confident about continued development of their applications. "I think this is a tremendous opportunity to build upon firm foundation that the Madison team has already established, and really provide increased levels of support, increased levels of technical innovation and sophistication -- all the while listening to the marketplace and taking their feedback into account, certainly. So, I think there's nothing but good things ahead."

Sonic Foundry's Madison, WI-based media products development and management team has also joined Sony. "The plans are to stay and build out the Madison team. That's the core right there," says Schneider.

"The commitment to these products and the professional market is absolutely there, as well as the commitment to the guys who created it. It's a great marriage of two innovative companies both known for cutting edge techologies and design. When you put the two together, there's going to be some great stuff to talk about in the coming months," Schneider concludes.

Comments

Paul_Holmes wrote on 9/20/2003, 3:56 PM
This is only what I expected. The guys at Sony have the money and vast experience in marketing -- the guys in Madison have the technical genius. Both recognize the value of the other! I was one of those who didn't panic a few months ago when the news came out and haven't thought about it since. I knew only good things could happen!
StormMarc wrote on 9/20/2003, 4:50 PM
This sounds great! Now let's see some realtime hardware support!!!

Marc
mjroddy wrote on 9/20/2003, 6:46 PM
Oh no! Another Hardware Support is about to begin!
(So I guess I'll weigh in:)
I'd buy a system that uses Hardware Support - like Newtek's Toaster, but using Vegas. I'd love to get past this DV 4:1:1 and still keep some actual Realtime. But I agree with others that this should only be an option. Not a means by which to force others into buying hardware.
... for what it's worth. -mjr
filmy wrote on 9/20/2003, 6:52 PM
I posted this little blurb in another thread a few days ago. I found this a bit telling in reguards to some of the fuss about Screenblast Movie Studio. When Sony first put out the press about it a few months ago I posted asking if it was a 'cheaper" version of VV but with added features. One of the things it offers is built in DVD authoring, something you have to pay extra for if you have VV. The response was that this was not a 'dumbed down' version of VV, just an upgrade to Video Factory. So when I read this I had to raise an eyebrow.

>>>What sets [Screenblast Movie Studio] apart from other products is a membership to the Screenblast website, which features Hollywood-quality film clips, ready made templates and backgrounds, and audio selections.

[Andrew] Schender [Senior VP and GM of Screenblast] says that Sony decided to introduce the combination of software and content in 2001 when "we saw traction in the NLE consumer market." It brought the first retail software to market in October 2002; the new version of Movie Studio adds DVD authoring with Sonic Foundry's Vegas engine at is core, as well as Windows Media 9 and Macromedia Flash SWF file support.<<<

Notice he says it does use the Vegas 'engine' at it's core. That is the telling part for me. For under 100 bucks you can get multi track editing and DVD authoring using the VV 'engine'. For those who need more tracks and want to spend a lot more money you can get more tracks but you don't get the DVD authoring or the 'Hollywood-quality film clips, readymade templates, backgrounds and audio selections." For that you need to spend even more money to get the "+ DVD" (DVDA) add on for VV, but even with that they aren't saying you get access to the "Sony Digital Library" for all of these supposed extras. I think Sony needs to better market "their" cheap product so it doesn't seem to be as good as, or better, than the more expensive "SoFo" product. After all they are on the same team now aren't they?
JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/20/2003, 7:55 PM
> I knew only good things could happen!

Well, good things haven’t been happening for MovieStudio 3 (the follow-on to VideoFactory). There is no downloadable demo of MovieStudio and because of that, it is almost impossible for people like us to recommend it to other people and tell them to download a copy and see for themselves. Also, you cannot do a downloadable purchase any more! Several people from outside the US said the shipping costs more than the upgrade price so they are not upgrading from VideoFactory! So IMHO, Sony has really blown it several times since they took over.

> Sony needs to better market "their" cheap product

I agree but for a different reason. Actually, I would be happy if Sony would just stop making erroneous claims like MovieStudio having integrated DVD authoring. It DOES NOT. It comes with a separate DVD authoring package that is in no way integrated. You have to render to an AVI file and then import that into MyDVD. I also call the claims erroneous because the comparison chart on Sony’s (and SoFo’s) web site says that Pinnacle Studio 8 does not have integrated DVD authoring when, in fact, it authors DVD's right from the timeline! You can’t get any more integrated than that. Why is this important? Because people will quickly realize they are not telling the truth and dismiss all their other claims since you won’t know what is true and what is not. This can only hurt the product and confuse the customers.

So Sony has a problem in general with twisting the truth. BTW, the copy of MyDVD that comes with MovieStudio is the same version that comes for free with many DVD burners so it’s not anything worth writing home about. You can’t even set chapter points in your AVI file. Sony would have been much smarter if they shipped a DVDA Lite version with MovieStudio. What message are they sending by shipping MyDVD? I don’t get it.

~jr
Chienworks wrote on 9/20/2003, 8:27 PM
Filmy, VideoFactory has always had Vegas' engine at it's core. This isn't something new with MovieStudio 3.0.
filmy wrote on 9/20/2003, 8:42 PM
>>>Filmy, VideoFactory has always had Vegas' engine at it's core. This isn't something new with MovieStudio 3.0.<<<

Again - Sony marketing then. Also I don't get why SoFo didn't say that back when I asked. Ok, I admit I did not ask if VF/MS has VV at its core, I just asked if, based on the Sony press, the new Sony Screenblast Movie Studio was anything like VV +DVD because it sounded like it was. The reply was that MS was nothing like VV. So every time I read some Sony hype about it I can't keep from wondering, out loud, why they make MS seemingly 'better' than VV, even now talking about VV at it's core as if it is a cheaper version of VV. I would have better feelings if they just called MS 3 a VV LE and didn't push all these DVD extras that VV does not currently have.

Also - just an add on - why can you download MF 3 from the SoFo site when Sony says you can't? And if it is not a demo version but the full version how can Sony also say you can't get a downloadable version? I mean what's the point?
TheHappyFriar wrote on 9/20/2003, 8:44 PM
You know what SONY doesn't tell users about there screenblast products? They are for NON-COMMERCIAL USE ONLY! I found that out when I got my copy of Screenblast Acid in the mail! I wasn't very happy about that! SoFo NEVER said that about any of their products! So why should I buy Screenblast Acid 4 for $70 when I could something else for the same price and use it commercialy? On top of that, their "membership" site costs $40 a year, no preview of the clips/sfx (small download to check out), the site takes about 10 minutes to load on a dialup, and there isn't an easy way to download lots of stuff at once!

So why bother spending money on the Acid loops? Can't make the money back.

I hope Sony changes this soon, or I might not get another product they bought from SoFo. I bought from SoFo because they were honest on their website product comparisons, honest in the questions I asked them in e-mails, honest about their products, and honest about their prices. Sony hasn't shown that to me yet.

Oh, want to know another "feature" of screenblast Acid 4? It come swith Screenblast Sound Forge 1! Of course they don't mention it can't save WAV files, none of your DirectX plugins from Vegas work in it, you can't change any of the custom settings in the DirectX plugins built into it (only use the prresets they provided. Yeah, REAL useful for EQ!), and the best one of all: the competition doesn't comes with it! Well DUH! They're the competition! Of course they wouldn't promote you!

Sorry for ranting. I would be editing but my son is sleeping on the couch so I can't edit audio if i can't hear it. :)
StormMarc wrote on 9/20/2003, 8:48 PM
In regards to the hardware support I've never understood the reluctance to have this option for Vegas. Most software out there (Final Cut, Avid, Premiere) offer hardware options yet still allow you the software only option. Hardware support for Vegas would only increase it's user base which would benefit us all and secure it's place in the NLE world.

Marc
vitalforces wrote on 9/21/2003, 12:16 AM
(I'm also editor3333, the poster)

I just wanted to put the quote on this forum so we'd have one centralized list of all the SoFo users who need to cut down on their caffeine.
Paul_Holmes wrote on 9/21/2003, 1:26 AM
I too was a little bothered when I went to the Screenblast site and found no downloadable demo. I've been selling both my brothers on Video Factory as the only entry-level editor they should use. I think I read a post somewhere that indicated there would be a demo eventually.

Still, I think with the Madison team in place there will be the usual exceptional response to user requests and beefs that we've always seen.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/21/2003, 9:42 AM
> I would be editing but my son is sleeping on the couch so I can't edit audio if i can't hear it.

Now there is a man who needs a set of headphones. How do you think I play Return to Castle Wolfenstein after the kids and wife have gone to bed. ;-)

~jr
TheHappyFriar wrote on 9/21/2003, 9:52 AM
I play Quake w/o sound. I've gotten very good. :) And headphones are on my christmas list. :)
DataMeister wrote on 9/21/2003, 9:44 PM
Oh com on. Anyone who could afford a copy of Vegas should be able to affor a pair of $20 Koss headphones. They even come with a life time waranty.

They're not as good as a set of studio Sony headphones for $60, but they are decent.

JBJones
TheHappyFriar wrote on 9/21/2003, 9:46 PM
Well, i spent my extra $$$ on Acid 4, and want some nice headphones. You know, the ones you can crank and noone can hear it but you. So i'm willing to wait. The wife wouldn't be happy if i spent all our money... although all i'd need is the CC and a trip to Curcuit City. :)
DataMeister wrote on 9/21/2003, 9:52 PM
LOL

If you are saving up, the Sony MDR-V600's are some of the best I've heard for the money. $75 at B&H.

The V900 is the next model up but I couldn't tell enough of a difference.

JBJones
jester700 wrote on 9/21/2003, 11:10 PM
Personally, I'd avoid the V600. Very muddy. If you can find the older MDR-V6 or the "pro" MDR-7506, those are the Sonys to get. About $80-100.

Other good closed phones are the Sennheiser HD280 (about the same price), or the Beyer DT-250 (for twice the price).