GR-HD1 video capture?

Former user wrote on 6/9/2003, 7:46 AM
I searched & found a few references to this camcorder but nothing indicating if Vegas will do the video capture. I assume "No" because Vegas cannot write the files needed to print back to this camera.

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=151888
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=179202&Page=0

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SonyEPM wrote on 6/9/2003, 9:31 AM
Not supported at this time, sorry.
indyfilmmaker wrote on 6/12/2003, 8:45 PM
I just got the HD1 and it comes with a capture utility. You can then just drop the captured file into VV and edit it on the timeline. You can then convert to MPG2 HD or Windows Media 9 HD right from the timeline. I was buring HD DVD's in WMV9 right away.
farss wrote on 6/13/2003, 8:38 AM
Any chance of posting a little of what you've done somewhere?

We are VERY interested in buying a number of these cameras.
jbl375 wrote on 6/17/2003, 4:41 AM
Hi,

I got my HD1 some days ago. Interested to know if I can encode the file to 720p which is accpeted by the HD1 capture utility and then send to D-VHS.

Or can the file to be encoded to 1080i? How can you convert this 1080i mpg file to ts file and then export to D-HVS?
SonyDennis wrote on 6/20/2003, 5:30 PM
You can encode to MPEG-2 720/30p, but only as a program stream, not a transport stream (the latter is required to write back to the camera or D-VHS deck). You might find some 3rd party utilities to convert the PS to a TS. You could also render a 1080/60i file, but why, if your source is 720/30p? I believe the D-VHS machine handles either.
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jbl375 wrote on 6/20/2003, 9:15 PM
If I want to convert the 720p clip to WMV9 in Vegas, what is the setting to get best quality?

If I really want to convert the PS to TS, what is the availabe 3rd party softwares? There is a sotfware called Mpeg2ts but it never works for me.

Please help.
JonErik wrote on 6/29/2003, 3:54 PM
Hello

What about the included MPEG Edit studio LE? How is it, and maybe you can import the MPEG2-PS and convert it to MPEG2-TS there?

Best Regards

Jon Erik
filmy wrote on 6/29/2003, 8:01 PM
One of the 'best' places I have found to get HD info is http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=6.
If you look under the 'hdtv recorders' section you can find information on the HD1 as well as some free little utilities that will allow you to input and output HD material.

On the VV side of things SonicDennis pretty much summed it up. As for the D-VHS side of things - there is a very, very, large silence. I posted here asking anyone from the SoFo team if the HD30000 worked with VV, even if it was for DV out going to the unit to it's built in DV>MPEG2 encoding. Nothing. I got one response from a unit owner about the deck not working with VV. So I went over the the AVS forums and posted the question. No response there either other than from a salesman telling me about a premiere plug-in that will allow 'real time' hd software editing. Thus far it seems most people are only recording HDTV and not really doing a lot of NLE with HD - at least not on the 'prosumer' front. (That and the fact most NLE's really do not support HD yet)

From what I gather from DSE's posts at DMN (Which seems to be down over the last 24 hours??) he likes to tell how VV does HD very well. However, I did come across a very interesting and informative post where he tells about his HD workflow...and it doesn't have much HD VV in it. He said he captures HD on another system that also turns out a DV stream as well as the HD stream. He takes the captured material to his system and edits the DV steam in VV and when it is locked he 'swaps' out the DV material for the same HD material. He than said he takes that HD material to another system for HD output. I am guessing DSE is only using VV for the HD render and nothing more.
filmy wrote on 6/30/2003, 1:51 PM
Ok - so someone answered my HD NLE/DH30000 question over on the AVS forums and I thought I would also post it here because it answers the derg question as well. Enjoy.
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"I've successfully edited video from both the HM-DH30000 and the GY-HD1 using Vegas 4. Here is what you do:

1) Capture footage using either the HD Capture Utility that comes with the GY-HD1 or DVSTools. This will give you an MPEG2-TS file

2) Drag that file right into the Vegas 4.0 timeline. Edit as normal.

3) Render out as MPEG-2 at 720p or 1080i. Note that if you plan on going back to the GY-HD1, you should go with 720. This will give you an MPEG-2-PS.

Note, if you would like to produce AC3 audio, do the following. Render the video ONLY as described above. Render the audio as an AC3 file alone. By default Vegas want to do a stereo AC3 file. If you want 5.1 channel, just make the change in you project setting before rendering.

4) Now you either have a single MPEG-2-PS file or a video MPEG-2 file + an audio AC3 file. Use MPEGCarver Premium to crate an MPEG2-TS file from these.

5) Now use either DVSTools or the HD Capture Utility to transfer the video back to the HM-DH30000 or the GY-HD1.


Overall this works well. I hate the user-interface in Vegas, but it is tremedously fast when you throw a lot of memory at it. For one of my projects, we needed to edit 90 hours of finished multi-layers video in a short time. We ended up getting a Tyan Thunder GC-HE with 24 GB of RAM. We set up 20 GB on it as a RAM disk and the videos we needed to edit on it. This was for a non HD project ---- but last week, I ran a test on on it to see how well this set up works with Vegas and MPEG based HD footage. I was able to get 17 layers in real-time with chroma-keying on 16 of the layer. Note,"real-time" here just refers to the responsiveness of the system while in front of it editing ---- the resposiveness is realtime, but you still need to render at the end and jump through the Carver MPEG-2 --> TS hoop."
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kwshaw1 wrote on 8/15/2003, 2:40 PM
indy: when you say you're burning HD DVDs, what exactly do you mean by that? Are you talking about 16:9 non-HD output or is there some way to get true HD video on a DVD? Are there DVD players which can read HD files?