Now that JR has said what I was going to (before I bit my tongue), I will add that there is nothing cheap about the company that writes the third party plugins, or their products. They are a respected third-party vendor. Since this is your first post, I'll point out that language like "cheap" and "being a child" is completely unnecessary here. Welcome to the forums.

I assure you that those words come from a deep frustration with loving Vegas Pro and having no choice but to shoot with a Panasonic camera. I have had nothing but issues with Raylight Ultra. i would love it that Raylight would just allow me to import my files into Sony without quirks popping up here and there, but it just hasn't happened. As a consumer I only want to see solutions not a blame game. You are telling me that Sony can't figure out a way to get the P2 file to import without the DVfilm pluggin without Panasonics help? Yeah I am not buying that. I have been using Vegas since 5 and I have been a devoted user. Even when many in my field raise there nose to it, I believe it is just a vaild and powerful editor as Premiere and Final Cut. I am not looking for a he said she said war. I just want a better solution. Very disappointed that Vegas 10 won't take that step. I guess I will have to keep batch rendering with Adobe Encoder to use my P2 files in Vegas without any glitches. If you only new my frustrations you would understand my post. Glad to be in the forums.

...having no choice but to shoot with a Panasonic camera.

You can shoot with any camera you want to.
Is there a particular reason for this statement?

I have had nothing but issues with Raylight Ultra.

I've heard nothing but praise for Raylight support.
Have you tried to get help from them about your issues?

You are telling me that Sony can't figure out a way to get the P2 file to import without the DVfilm pluggin without Panasonics help? Yeah I am not buying that.

Buy it because it's the truth.
Read the Panasonic vs Sony Vegas and Is Vegas 8? threads on Creative Cow, paying particular attention to the responses from Jan Crittenden Livingston. Product Manager, HPX500, HVX200, DVX100, Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems.

Mike

I actually use both Sony and Panasonic products (I know I know, you're supposed to choose a side a blindly stick to it in flame wars!) ;)

DVFilm support is excellent. Just email them your problem and they will give you a work around or let you know if they know about the bug and are working on it. I don't think its fair to call their product cheap. I prefer the word affordable.

I will say that editing P2 natively on the Vegas timeline does have some minor glitches. For example, using pan/crop can sometimes can have some wierd preview issues (but not render issues).

That's why I always, always, always convert to Raylight AVI. It is fast, lossless, and smoooooooth editing. And you can smart render. And it removes the pulldown. And it fixes the wierd 729 non-native pulldown issues. And it fixes the PAR to 1:1. The only problem is that you loose the extra two channels of audio (but you do check your audio setting before you shoot right?)

Have you also tried cineform's products as well? They also have great support. Everything not P2 I convert to cineform and only have cineform and raylight on the timeline.

kairosmatt

... then I could careless!

Gee whiz, I'm curious as to what will make you care less than you already appear. . .?
Maybe a few remarks about your grammar ... or perhaps a few remarks about your attack on the wrong adversary ... or perhaps a few remarks about your emotional response to what is probably a business decision ... perhaps NOT!
Once we find out what pushes your buttons, many will gladly help you care less. . . until you finally arrive at the point where you can't, or couldn't, care less ... (grin)

Welcome to the SCS forum . . . we appreciate your input and feedback ...

Just poking a little fun - we've all been the brunt of someone else's humor ... your gracious responses set the tone for all your future conduct on the forum. . . (wink)
You only get the one chance to make a first impression . . . nothing personal. . . (really)
If you like, I can resend it to John Cline on one of the threads he frequents. . . (grin)

Until that time ... Earl J.

General observation for many years online and in personal life as well...

Men want to give solutions; women want to give support.
If you come to a guy forum and provide a "complaint stem" - a statement of what you think and how you operate - guys will immediately begin to provide answers to the problems you address. They also begin to attempt to adjust your thinking so you overcome your frustrations. As witnessed here ... some provide workarounds, some provide feedback about your notions of "one-or-the-other," while others still will analyze what's going one since they don't understand any of what they know about the topic at hand (wink, yes, guys like me) ...

All that to say, you're beginning to witness the strength and wisdom of the group here ... no single one of us is as smart as all of us together ... to tap into any of that wisdom and strength, all they ask is a quick review of what you want to say and how it looks in written form before you hit the post button ...

This sort of opportunity also lets many of us re-assess our own thoughts about how we perceive and respond to new situations and encounter differing attitudes about Vegas products and video in general.

I'll let it go at that ...

Glad you're glad to be here - we're glad to have you contribute to our passion for video and Vegas products... really . . . what you've experienced contributes that much more to our collective wisdom and knowledge...

Until that time ... Earl J.

Man, Earl, I coulda really used option 4 last night!

Matt

We are the Borg...

Hey Matt...
I could use it daily. . .
too bad the number is unlisted. . . lol

Grammar? If I really cared about grammar on a video forum, I'd be teaching English. The problem is I work for the state school who happens to have just one camera and it just happens to be a Panasonic. So this wasn't a business decision, at least not mine. I have always used Sony cameras until now. If DV film can make a work around out of Vegas why can't Sony do the same in Vegas? Just a QUESTION. I wasn't aware that Sony Fan Boys existed for more than just gaming. Just poking a little fun.

If DV film can make a work around out of Vegas why can't Sony do the same in Vegas?

The threads I linked to on Creative Cow do a very good job of explaining why this won't be happening anytime soon.

I wasn't aware that Sony Fan Boys existed for more than just gaming.

No "Sony Fan Boys" in this thread, just facts which you don't seem to like very much.

Mike

Stuben-
Is there any reason not to convert to Raylight AVI? Its faster than realtime and lossless.

kairosmatt

First, I just read those threads from Creative Cow. I feel like a child stuck in the middle of divorced parents! Second, I do have the Make self contained AVI selected. My biggest issues are mainly with the audio. I am always having to build a proxy and then it will lose it and I have to go through this whole process of clicking OK my audio can't be found and then restart the software. The only bug with the video is reversing a clip and it crashes. After reading those threads I guess I will just give up on any dreams of Vegas taking the P2 file and work harder at getting my University to buy a Sony. Sounds like my odds are greater that way.