Can't find it and it doesn't appear when I PTT only when I render.

The first thing I would try is see if you can duplicate the problem by rendering just the small section where you see the problem. That should only take a few minutes. Render as a save as to your hard drive. Try various file formats including the faster ones like WMV that don't take so long to render. What you're trying to do is see if it is happening during the rendering (what you suspect) or if there is some hidden or corrupt area on the timeline. I had a similar problem once... about a year ago. For some odd reason a good chunk of one audio track was playing about 20 seconds ahead of where it should have on top of the audio that was playing correctly at the right point. I solved it by first finding out which track, then simply moved the events to a new one.

You must have left a sliver of generated media (the scrolling credits) on some other track or maybe on the track with the credits. If you did any slicing and dicing of those credits you might have dragged a chunk out of the way and left it. Maybe it's on a composited track.

Last year, I worked on a project for days on end and when I was almost done I decided to shorten up the credits and fade out the song, so I split the song and dragged the chunk I didn't need out of the way until I could see how the ending looked and sounded. I liked the ending and started the final render right then. Of course the chunk of unneeded audio was still there. Fortunately before I did any DVD or anything, I sat and watched the "finalized" AVI. I noticed the playbar kept going after everything had faded to black and then about 10 seconds later, that audio chunk came blaring through. The night that happened, I was editing sleepy and was in fact dead on my feet when I started the final render and went to bed. Normally, I would never have rendered without patiently watching the whole video and waiting to see Vegas stop at the end.

Hope you can find the culprit on your tracks. From what you have said, it sounds like a stealthy little clip, but its got to be there, somewhere.

Thanks for the replies.

It's nowhere to be found and rendering that section where the error occurred did not produce it.

I re-rendered ACT 2 and it Did Not happen the second time, but I got judder in a section of the same event. I also noticed an error message popup in Video Capture indicating that there was a 0x800705aa(Message Missing) error. I don't know when the error occurred. I saw it after the files had printed on the computer screen.
In Windows, a 0x800705aa error indicates that there is insufficient bandwidth for an operation. I'll have to check that one out. Not sure if it is related. Seems to pop up more with Windows XP users rather than for Windows 98SE users such as myself.
I may also try to re-capture the tape where the errors are occurring. I'll post back the results.

Thanks,
John

Error message gone. Problem still there. Synch Data Transfer not checked in Device Manager for drive containing the clips to the drive getting the render. I'll let you know after another 7hrs. whether or not it worked.

Thanks,
John

Well, checking Synch Data Transfer worked to eliminate judder in that scene, but the flash of the credit roll for 2-3 frames re-appeared around the same spot. It isn't on the timeline. I blew it up and stretched it to oblivion on my 21 inch monitor and it's just not there. Not in a pre-render or just playing the section of the timeline at any speed. Vegas has to be doing it. I have re-installed the program 4 times to eliminate oddities such as the File menu elongating itself to four times the normal width for no apparent reason. Plus all the interlacing problems to work around which is new. And let's not forget the inability to eliminate motion blur from Reduce Interlace Flicker.

The glitch looks like a flash camera went off in the audience so I left it in. I have been working on this video for 4 weeks now. One rehearsal _ Three nights of shooting + 4 weeks of editing. Thank God this is a sideline for me. I don't remember all these problems with VV2 or VV3. I still haven't tried DVDA yet.
So far, I'm not impressed.
John

Interesting. If you want to let it render again overnight sometime, could you do this test for me, please? In Preferences, Video tab, set "Dynamic RAM Preview" to 0 and then do your render. Now are those frames there? Thanks.

The "motion blur" you are seeing certainly isn't the motion blur feature, not is it probably related to Reduce Interlace Flicker. What's the smallest project that you can make to demonstrate this artifact to me? I'll send you an FTP address to send it to.

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Dennis,
Thanks for the reply.
I recaptured the footage for that section and the problem with the credit roll appearing for a few frames in that section disappeared.

As far as the "Reduce Interlace Flicker" introducing motion blur goes, I'll render a small looped section and send it to you if you give me that FTP address.

Thanks,
John

I've sent you an email, thanks.
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Craftech, I just want to make sure I understand what you did to resolve this. You said you "recaptured" the footage. I assume that means you got a new clip of the footage off of your camera or source and inserted it into the problem area on the TL, correct? I am still interested in hearing where the mystery-media came from in the first place, just in case I ever face a similar problem. Thanks. Glad you got your video done.

I just recaptured the same clip and the problem disappeared. I have no idea how it got there in the first place. Somehow the timeline was corrupted (probably by my trying to stretch out the credit roll to slow it down (an age old problem according to the archives on this forum). Unfortunately I could not see it anywhere unless it was in a layer under the visible area of the timeline.
There are 42 VHS copies of the glitch in the possession of my customers however. Had to deliver them. They were weeks late and that was the only real problem in 2Hrs and 15 minutes of the Musical. The rest looked great thanks to color correction.

John

Ho -yes! I now know what you got!! - I too stttrrrreched out the Media/Text CredRoll stuff. And yes, one can get the beginning OR end of that piece. And Yes! you wouldn't see it as a remnant OR sliver of a left behind event. It's only the same clip/event Repeating itself - ie beyond that which you want. - Nasty, nasty little devil! - I've been reading this thread and hoping someone was going to come up with a solution for you - and all along it has been staring me - literally - in the face. I thought that - nah that couldn't be it?! When I've noticed this happening it is becasue I've been lucky enough to "spot" it in Preview window - sometimes I wont! My practice now will be to not only Preview a draft avi render of a potentially "troublesome" area - but to also do a full render of a project and "view" that BIG screen - yeah?

Hey ho . . we lives and learns . . . .

Grazie

So how did you fix it? I have experienced the same problem in the past, where a piece of the credits randomly inserts itself somewhere in the movie for a frame or two.

Does someone have a small project where this 2 or 3 frame credit roll flash happens consistently?
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Millertime83,

I didn't actually "fix it". I recaptured the footage which was affected and the problem did not reproduce itself. Credit Roll problems date back quite some time and need to be addressed. There has to be a better way.

It was nowhere to be found on the timeline. I guess I should have saved it for SF techs in case they asked. They have been really responsive to these problems. I know I am speaking for others when I say it is really appreciated.

John