hd on dvd?

ushere wrote on 6/19/2008, 11:13 PM

i should know by now, but having spent an hour searching here and there, i still can't find a straight forward answer... if you know the thread i need, please point me in the right direction and i'll happily read it.

i have been happily churning out dvd's created from my original hdv m2t's. and, as a safety / archive precaution, printing the m2t to tape.

now, most of my programs are around 1/2hour, which makes it impractical to burn the edited m2t file to dvd unless i use double sided - let's not go there thank you.

i keep reading about blu ray but usually in reference to playing back / through tv with a blu ray player....

can i burn a blu ray file to dvd for simple playback on a pc?

if so, what's the correct / best method.

and if this is a dumb question, well, i have asked dumber questions i'm sure,

leslie

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farss wrote on 6/20/2008, 12:19 AM

Bit mixed up as to what you're trying to achieve exactly.

To play anything off a BD disk the computer would need a BD drive.
For you to burn one, you'd need a BD burner and still pretty expensive down here.

Some here seem to have success authoring BD content onto DVDs however they only playback in STB BD players. A conventional DVD drive in a PC can read the data on the disk but I don't know if it'd actually play, maybe someone knows the answer to that one.

But backstepping a bit, what's the issue with DL DVDs. If you just to backup data to them I've not heard of any issues although they're still more than 2x the price of single layer disks.

If you simply want to DVD with HD content on it that'll playback on a PC, WMV is worth a look at, unless you need menus.

Bob.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/20/2008, 12:33 AM

Vegas 8b can create BDMV structures, and can burn that to DVD and DVD-DL too. Those BDMV-DVDs can be read by tools like PowerDVD Ultra, with XP they can be read if you install an udf-driver manually only.

BDMV-DVDs can be read by some standalone Blu Ray Players too (but not by the PS3, fore example).

ushere wrote on 6/20/2008, 12:46 AM

thanks,

bob, i think ws knows what i mean with his bdmv structures

ws - how you'd go about creating them? and could you point me in the right direction, and expand a bit on the udf-driver 9where to download for example).

bob - basically i'm after playing hd out of my pc / laptop, without either schlepping ex hd's, or having relatively large m2t's on the internal drives.

i've given wmv, and most other flavours of export a whirl, but still think they don't really do justice to the m2t edit (keep wanting to call it the 'edit master') - and the blu ray i have seen does look quite spectacular.....

i might add if you have a favourite encoding, which can knock down the m2t size by half, i'd love to know.....

have a great weekend both of you,

leslie

farss wrote on 6/20/2008, 1:21 AM

Just a few random thoughts.

Not that many laptops have 1920x1080 ish screens so you're kind of limited already. Size of the file isn't he only consideration, get the bitrate too high and laptop DVD drives might not keep upleading to stuttering playback. You'd be good to 10MB/sec, they have to do that to play regular DVDs. 25MB/sec could be too much for them.
You could think about USB thumb drives, pretty cheap these days. Or a smallish USB drive, the 2.5" ones are pretty tiny.
Given all of the above I just use 720p WMV at under 5Mb/sec. It doesn't looks as spectacular as 1080 on a 24" screen but no laptop has a 24" screen and that's probably as much of the issue as anything.
Having said all of the above, if you playback the raw m2t file, how does it look on the laptop screen, I'd figure 1080 WMV at 10Mb/sec should just as good.

Hope it's bit warmer in your neck of the woods, freezing down here.

Bob.

ushere wrote on 6/20/2008, 2:28 AM

thanks bob....

i'll give the 1080 wmv @ 10 a whirl.

i'll still persue the other option just out curiosity.

cold here too, and still (thankfully) damp...

have a good w/e

leslie

Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/20/2008, 3:25 AM

"ws - how you'd go about creating them? and could you point me in the right direction, and expand a bit on the udf-driver 9where to download for example)"

Creating them... you are able to burn bdmv discs from the timeline of Vegas 8b - Tools/Burn Disc/Blu-Ray. Take Sony AVC Encoder and Dolby Digital. Switch to a 5.1 file before you do so - otherwise you will not see the AVCHD templates.

I do not know where you can download an udf driver - try google.

JJKizak wrote on 6/20/2008, 5:28 AM

I burned three different V8.0b created Bluray tests to dvd discs with a Sony burner and they all played on the PS-3 (streaming).
JJK

Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/20/2008, 6:58 AM

But not as BDMV, but only as data disc. For 50i material, the additional disadvantage is that this will playback with 60i only.

LJA wrote on 6/20/2008, 8:55 AM

I think http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=595961 this [/link]will lead to the driver in question.

ushere wrote on 6/20/2008, 5:42 PM

thanks lja,

works as i hoped:

burn blu ray image from tools onto dvd

installed udf driver (winxp sp3) reboot

(loose usb keyboard, reinstall keyboard - tarantula - reboot)

insert 'blu ray' dvd disk

navigate to streams folder

play with power dvd ultra.

whoopie....

leslie

Laurence wrote on 6/20/2008, 6:07 PM

There is another option: an AVCHD disc. With this option you can burn a disc on a regular dual or single layer DVD. When you put it in most Bluray players (including the PS3) it will immediately start playing with menus (if you authored one). This is a whole lot better than a Bluray on DVD+-R where it comes up as a data disc and you have to step through the folders to the video files in order to play the content.

You can't use Sony software to author an AVCHD disc though. You need to use software that specifically will author the AVCHD format. This is confusing because Vegas will let you author a Bluray disc with AVCHD codec encoding which is not the same thing.

warriorking wrote on 6/20/2008, 7:23 PM

Hopefully this will be resolved with the new Update this month, giving us just that option from within DVD Architech 5... right now I can burn a AVCHD DVD disc from within Pinnacle 12 and Nero 8 with added menu's and it will play back on my computers non bluray DVD drive simply because I have the codec installed that reads AVCHD disc's that comes with Nero and the free corel software from my HG10 camcorder ...I was checking out my new AVCHD DVD render on my laptop just today before I could get home and play it on my PS3....Played just like a normal DVD from my Laptops drive....

farss wrote on 6/20/2008, 8:39 PM

What does this gain you though over burning a m2t file to DVD and playing that out. Or using any other codec for that matter.
Here I'm talking about having a DVD that'll play in any laptop. Seems to me just more hoops to jump through for no gain.

Bob.

ushere wrote on 6/20/2008, 9:41 PM

hi bob,

file size. my original m2t is 9.5gb. yes, could go d/l, but i've had a number of instances where i've burnt d/l's that played happily on my pc, but not on another.

the ability to give a client a hd version that'll play with as good as quality i can get.

i tried wmv @ 10mb, but like all my wmv's through vegas, the colour looks a little weak. now, should i be fx'ing studio to rgb on my m2t final edit for wmv?

i'm just trying nero avchd - takes forever to render, so i'll let you know how it looks (subjectively) when it's done.

at the end of the day, all i want (in this particular case) is to get a 9.5gb (say, 50min) m2t onto a single sided dvd, with quality as close to the orginal as possible.

hey, not a lot to ask, is it?

thanks bob, and everyone else for your time and thoughts,

leslie

Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/21/2008, 1:10 PM

"Hopefully this will be resolved with the new Update this month..."

In fact, I know only Nero, Pinnacle Studio and for sure Uleads Moviefactory 6+ with the HD package that are able to generate AVCHD-DVDs, as described by Laurence. I expect the Sony products to stay with 002-BDMV structures, as we know that from Vegas 8.

And yes, that is confusing, since 001-AVCHD-DVDs are not the same as 002-BDMV-DVDs. Both are based on the AVC codec, but there are small differences in the structure - what is important for the PS3. As stated by Laurence and me, the PS3 plays 002-AVCHD-DVDs only, but not 002-BDMD-DVDs.

And that is a pure firmware issue of the PS3, since my Samsung 1400 plays 001-AVCHD-DVDs and 002-BDMV-DVDs, both based on the AVC codec. It would be easy for Sony to allow playback of 002-BDMV-DVDs with the PS3, as created by Vegas.