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FrigidNDEditing wrote on 10/6/2006, 6:56 PM
I would think they probably are just going to move with the flow of technology. Dual Core is the future, quad core, multi core is the only way they were able to open the road to progress consistantly. Single Core is dying, and if you ask me the resources it takes to optimize for a dying way of computing is a major waste of money. Not that I don't want to see GPU utilization, however that's a tricky thing to manage for some things. If you ask me, I'd like to see it utilized for 3D motion, i think that would be a very good thing to see for sure. Either way, I don't expect GPU, but I would like it.

Dave
rextilleon wrote on 10/6/2006, 7:32 PM
Its your crappy computer.
Spot|DSE wrote on 10/6/2006, 8:02 PM
Dunno about "crappy" but it's likely you're 'puter or something you've got set incorrectly. Project properties set to HDV settings? My much slower laptop can manage 2 streams reasonably well with simple titles, Xfades, etc. One stream is similar to DV.
auggybendoggy wrote on 10/8/2006, 5:44 PM
guys is 1 mb really bad? I realize 4 mb is more but will it improve my system at all.

My experience with audio is 1 mb is PLENTY.
but I'm so new to video I'm thinking perhaps 2-4 gigs is more suited for editing?

I don't want to spend 300 getting 2x2mb ddr and I get the same performance :)

but if someone says def the 1mb is bottlenecking it some i would def go and make the purch.

just trying to get advise from the more learned people :)

Auggy
Zion wrote on 10/8/2006, 6:05 PM
It's not the amount of your ram. Should be able to work with 1GB.

Gives us more info about your setup, hardware haddrives etc. What version of vegas do you use 5,6,or 7? What work flow are you using for HDV M2TS, Cineform, Gearshft, etc?
fldave wrote on 10/8/2006, 6:09 PM
Use an external/secondary monitor. P4 3.2 HT machine, set preview to Secondary, Best/Full. I get 29.970 with m2t on timeline this way. Best/Auto drags it down.
auggybendoggy wrote on 10/8/2006, 9:58 PM
fldave,
am I understanding you correctly.

One pc for editing and one pc for previewing?
if I use a secondary monitor what kind is good?
what port? I have a dual port
1 analog
1 dvi
1 svideo

can you give me some buying tips on what to pick up
sure would be helpful.

Auggy

auggybendoggy wrote on 10/8/2006, 10:13 PM
I re-read your post and I think your saying to use a external monitor.
the p4 is your pc?

Will using a external monitor speed up the preview?
seems like I just need a flat out better processor. Like a ExtE dual core?

Aug
fldave wrote on 10/9/2006, 4:50 AM
Yes, a secondary display, with the Vegas internal preview window turned off, there is a large increase in frame rate with most m2t clips. Some don't playback as quickly (weird) but the secondary/external display works much better. It seems like the "Full" setting for the quality settings runs better on secondary. Now when you start adding effects, then of course it will tax your CPU more.

I'd try that before investing in a new mb/cpu. If you were to go the beefier cpu route, then don't mess around, get the Core 2 Duo and a supporting motherboard.

Zion wrote on 10/9/2006, 5:24 AM
auggybendoggy

The P4 HT3.0 and P4 HT3.2 Is not that much differance.

Gives us more info about your setup, hardware haddrives etc. What version of vegas do you use 5,6,or 7? What work flow are you using for HDV M2TS, Cineform, Gearshft, etc?

We need more Info!

fldave wrote on 10/9/2006, 4:34 PM
Yes, Zion, I kind of jumped the gun. My recommendations are with V7.
Auggy, a bit more info please. Kinds of effects on your m2t's and Zion's request for system info?
auggybendoggy wrote on 10/9/2006, 4:55 PM
OK here it is.

I'm using a self made p4 3.0 ghz HT (asus p4b266 motherboard)
1 gig of ddr 400 ram
1 80 gb ide drive (boot) ata133
1 160 gb ide drive (my docs) ata 133
1 cd rom x 52
1 dvd rw 4x
1 8x agp nvidia 5900xt 128 mb
1 maudio audiophile 2496 sound card (pci)

other componenets are plugged in...Heres the external hard.
1 canon bjc8200 photo printer
1 brother mfc laser printer/multi function
1 canon usb 2.0 scanner
1 logitech usb web cam

Software:
cubase 5 vst DAW
Acid 4.0 pro
Vegas 7
Vegas 5
DVD arc 4
DVD arc 2
Cararra 5
Gigastudio
flash 5
dreamweaver 3
Finale 2001
Picture publisher 10

Background programs: Nav, Nis, I*ntervideo dvd manager)
I'm not sure how to find all programs that run in the background.
I know there is msconfig and some other run command.

Anyhow thats about it.

Aug
auggybendoggy wrote on 10/9/2006, 4:56 PM
woult it help to put it all my video programs on a seperate partition w/o any other apps and backgrounds.

I was told to do this with audio but back inthe p3 days. Now with the p4 backgrounds can run and the audio multitracks run perfect.

Aug
fldave wrote on 10/9/2006, 5:58 PM
"Background programs: Nav" - Is this Norton Antivirus? Beware, antivirus programs on a video editing machine can be bad news, depending on how it is configured. Pull your internet connection and shut off your antivirus to see if that improves your framerate.

Programs should be installed on the main drive. Video/audio content and data should be stored on the separate drives from the boot/program drive.

Now, here are my stats on m2t preview in V7 without effects in the vegas preview window(not the external monitor), preview size 360x270:

Preview Auto: 29.970fps
Good Auto: 29.970fps
Best Auto: 20fps
Best Full: 15fps

Best full is faster than Best auto on my external monitor, and Best full seems to be sharper on the external.
auggybendoggy wrote on 10/10/2006, 7:21 PM
Yea, I think I'll move my Vegas to my backup partition since there is no network there for interent. I dont need NAV or NIS (firewall).

the only other thing I'll install is the maudio card for the audio?

Auggy
Steve Mann wrote on 10/10/2006, 10:35 PM
"Yea, I think I'll move my Vegas to my backup partition since there is no network there for interent. I dont need NAV or NIS (firewall)."

"....since there is no network there " ??? Please explain this. If you have a network adapter in the PC, windows loads the drivers.


"... I'll move my Vegas to my backup partition..."
You want the video files on a separate drive. Partitions are bad. They are an artifact from the days that the disk drives were bigger than the O/S could address. There is no reason for them any longer.

Steve M.
auggybendoggy wrote on 10/11/2006, 3:59 PM
I keep em for 2 Os's

I do not know of anyway to run 2 os' on one primary partition. If you know then congrats as you are probably the first : ) I'm being silly!

I have a dual os of xp one is for imaging. I have a 3rd drive which is a whole partition. To my knowledge I've never been able to use a disk w/o at least one partition. (this time im not being silly).
Are you implying your drives are not partitioned at all?

Aug
fldave wrote on 10/11/2006, 4:04 PM
I think he means breaking a single physical drive into multiple virtual drives.

By the way, experimenting more with playback. V7 HD playback (maybe V6 also) is very dependent on motion in the video clip that is playing. The more motion, the lower the framerate. That's why I can get 29.970 with Good Auto with some clips, and only 10fps with others. I do a lot of tripod shots of waterfalls, streams, flowers, lizards, etc. Waterfalls have low rate playback, while flowers gently blowing in the wind are full speed.

Just an FYI.
Serena wrote on 10/12/2006, 12:17 AM
If your drive is formatted NTFS you won't need a partition. I've got 250MB and 300MB HDs are none are partitioned.

I'm very impressed with V7 playback of m2t files. 25fps. However Cineform files I made for V6 play very slowly and no good for editing; have to finish those projects in V6.
Can anyone comment whether converting with the new Connect HD fixes that matter. Obviously I should try it and answer my own question! Nuisance to have to convert again (fortunately I've still got the m2t files on disk, so won't have to recapture).