I just made a tape with the HDR-HC3. I started to record and turned on a tone generator waited a few seconds and hit pause then turned the tone genrator off. I changed scenes and hit pause starting the recording and waited a few seconds and then hit pause. I moved to a new scene, turned the tone generator on and started to record. I did this several time. By changing scenes and using the tone generator it was very easy to see the start and end of each scene. I captured and viewed the scene changes witn Vegas 6d and 7b. With V6 the audio lagged almost 1 frame between scene changes ie the audio from scene 1 extended almost 1 frame into scene 2. The lag with Vegas 7 was ~ 1/2 frame.

I will check the results with split at scene change.

All things considered IMHO it is very good but it still required editing.

Ed

Interesting.
Not certain what you mean by 'pause'.
In my shoot I hit the red button to start / stop recording and there's quite a delay between when recording stopped and started recording again. I think if you power the camera down between shots things are different again.
I was shooting with the A1.

And thanks for taking the time to test this.

I don't have a HDV camera with me to do another test.

I might go back through the video I do have captured, I have a feeling the offset is variable.
I've noticed somethimes the camera will go into record almost immediately, at other times it'll take arounf 10 seconds. Need to call "SPEED" on the shoot, see HDV is filmic!

Bob.

Pause should read Start/Stop. Sorry about that.:)

I captured the HDR-HC3 with Vegas 7b with scene detection enabled. The scene change from scene 1 to scene 2 is ~15 frames (1GOP) the audio for scene 2 that extends in scene 1 is set to 0 in the overlap in scene 2. If that make sense. There shold only be silence with no out-of-sync audio with a duration worst case less than 2 seconds. Bottom line I doubt if you could hear or see it but Iwould edit it out. I looked at ~ 30 scene changes and they all looked exactly the same.

PS I always do an end search between power downs.

Ed

Bob,

I have to mention that I haven't seen the problem you've raised and doing a check on some existing m2t files (without scene split) they didn't seem to exhibit it. These particular scenes were shot using stnby between shots (ie leaving the camera powered up) and I expanded the timeline to see single frames. Using Cineform to split scenes I do get a few mute audio frames at the end of clips, but these aren't an issue because things are being trimmed anyway.

>>>SONY - you promote HDV scene detection as a feature of v7 - are you going to acknowledge this bug or not????????

PhilHemel, I imagine you believe that this forum is a direct line to Sony, but it's not. You're shouting at a bunch of Vegas users who, as you can read in the replies, are quite keen to help out. But none of us are employed by Sony. I, for one, get pretty unsympathetic when subjected to unwarranted aggression; others are much kinder to *.

@ jonask

yes, I would like to have the script also for PAL, if possible.

Kr
Wolfgang

It actually worked for PAL as well...

Here's a updated version with more comments.
And please read the comments before using it!

http://web.comhem.se/~u82707197/vegas/Trim_Captured_Clips_v1.0.zip

Here's another vote for just using HDVSplit. HDVSplit also takes advantage of the GPU on your graphics card, and the load on your CPU when you preview video while capturing is really light because of this.

As was stated above, you need to trim a little at the beginning and end each clip when editing because of the GOP sequence of the mpeg video, but this is easy to live with.

Fair comment, and apologies to anyone that I have offended by seeming ungrateful - your collective assistance IS greatly appreciated!!

Starting to understand things a bit more here (I think!):

The HDV clips are MPEG compressed so not every frame is complete?

When Vegas is splitting the files it has to go to the nearest complete (key?) frame and for safety includes more info at the ends rather than cropping? In which case, could there be a CAPTURE OPTION to crop/trim instead of adding silence/garbage??

So ultimately Vegas is working within the physical limitations of the compression structure rather than "messing up"?

Feel free to correct my limited understanding!!

A couple of updates:

I have tried a trial of Premiere Pro and as far as I can tell it doesn't attempt to split HDV at all so 10 points to Sony!

A trial of Cineform Connect HD removes virtually all gaps and glitches but only when converting to intermediate AVIs (for which I would need to buy an aditional hard drive, which is not out of the question!)

Have downloaded the script which has been kindly posted and will try that tomorrow

Many thanks for all your input

Phil