farss, that was my thought too. And that's why I'm posting here. But why should I be able to get it to work in the way I explain, and then get this feedback on the "Capture" video? - And yes, "I'm assuming you've Device control disabled right." correct.

And yes, your chain, in essence, is the same as mine.

So where would the nasty loop be if I can get it to work in the way I said? Silly, really!

Thanks for your speedy reply,

Grazie

I'm not sure as there's a lot of ocean between us but on my rig I do something like this.

ADVC (OUTS)->(ins)VCR(outs)->(ins)ADVC====1394->PC

OR

VCR(outs)->(ins)ADVC(outs)->Monitor
......................................|
......................................|======<1394>========->PC

In the first setup if the EE in the VCR went a bit odd then I'd have a feedback loop which could maybe cause something screwy to happen.

Farss, thanks - nicely presented too!

Okay to make things simpler. My VCR sits betwixt my PC and the PAL-MONITOR . .okay. That is : PC <> VCR <> Monitor. When I cap from my cammie 1394 > ACEDVio > Vegas/Drive.

When I PTT for analogue : Drive/vegas > ACEDVio > VCR

OR

When I PTT for DV : Drive/vegas > ACEDVio > cammie . . I leave/use the same 1394 cable for ins and outs connected to the ACEDVio card.

Sorry farss, what is the "EE" you mention . . be gentle ;-)

Grazie

Damned if i know what "EE" stands for, but it means having the inputs fed to the outputs when the machine isn't in play. On some machines you can also get the o/ps to monitor either whats on the inputs or what's on the play heads even if you're in record.

OK,
but in which of the above scenarios doesn't it work?
Sorry but it was a little unclear in the first post just which was going wrong.

As i understand it DV capture and PTT works fine.
VHS capture and PTT screws up. But the only difference here should be that the composite video and audio signals go from the cammy to the VCR outs for capture and the VCR ins for PTT.

That does mean a lot of lead swapping, is that what you're trying to avoid and somehow causing problems?

farss, this is good.

I'm gonna get my "ducks" in a row first before I reply.

I will tell you that I have a single SCART plug that takes the ins and outs into and out of the VCR. Before people start jumping all over me, don't forgert that I can make everything work, BUT I can't use the "Capture" button on the section just under the Preview area of the CAP prog. What I need to do is use the toolbar "Video" > " Microsoft DV Camera and VCR Properties . . " drop down. Then everything behaves itself . . I can then even use the "Capture Video" button . .

Am I making too much of this? But the feedback is very nasty! I get a screaming audio and the picture well out of wack too!

Ah, so EE is not in the glossary of all things Vid then . . .

Grazie

OK,
so the REAL issue is that you've got to select the video device to get it to work!
So what device is selected that stops it from working? Is it that youve got an analogue capture device in the PC and a 1394 input as well?


Glad to someone else using SCART. Our tele has RGB on SCART and our DVB STB has RGB out on SCART and I have a DVD player with RGB on SCART. Only problem is I cannoy buy a 2x1 SCART switch in this country. I found one on the web in the UK and didn't take the details with me when I was there so I could only find the really crappy ones that just seemed to parrallel all the signals.

The one I was after was about GBP 159 which weren't cheap.

"OK,
so the REAL issue is that you've got to select the video device to get it to work!
So what device is selected that stops it from working? Is it that youve got an analogue capture device in the PC and a 1394 input as well?"

The Canopus card is the only device I've got in the pc. It has 2 banks of phono connectors INS: WHite/Red/Yellow - OUTS White/Red/Yellow PLUS 2 X f/w. I've only connected one of these f/ws as my main IN/OUT . . this works . . ahhhhh . . This "other" f/w do you think this is an "alternative" and maybe just maybe this is it? As I say I only use one of these f/ws and it works. BUT, could it be that having 2 of these f/ws is to dictate/dedicate a f/w-ed device to ONE separate IN or OUT? Now this mightn't be a problem if I didn't have the phonos being used - ie another device=analogue vcr - connected AT the same time. Subsequently the phonos ARE supplying to ANOTHER device - the f/w doesn't know this - and when I come to activate Cap/PTT I need to "force" the Canopus to make a selection, and in that "judgement-call" I get a feedback? Maybe this is it. 'Cos I'm thinking, "Why have another firewire socket on the Caopus Card? One f/w connection should do it? But maybe NO!!! - What do you think? Maybe I'll get back to the pc builders and get their response. As I keep saying, I can get the system to work, and work very well . . . hmmmmm...

farss, you are a Star so far. AND you've made me think this through . . I hate it when something doesn't work . .with ease . . . .

As to the 2 x 1 SCART. I've got a GOLD plated one . . I think I got from our COMET store here in London. I wouldn't have thought I would have bought it for £150 Quid, knowing me! I think it set me back something like 20 - 30 . . .

Best regards,

Grazie

Try this simple thing. In your capture options in the audio disable audio monitoring.

JJK

One of our PMs from a few decades ago made quite a name for himself when he said "Life wasn't mean't to be easy".
Hope I've been of help, at least i just sorted out my problem that was driving me NUTS!
I've been making this nice intro for a DVD, chopper shot over the city, titles fade up, background fade to DVD menu background then titles fade down and screenshot of DVD menu fades up.

Except that last fade up just plain wouldn't work, played mpeg file in WMP looks fine, but it's just not there in DVDA preview. Tried averything, extended the menu still for two more seconds, still NOTHING. Tried burning a DVD, still not fade up.

Well you see what I'd done was included a dummy audio track with the intro mpeg cause sometimes DVDA will poop itself if there's no audio. But the audio track I gave it was shorter then the mpeg vidoe so it'd peg out when it ran out of audio!

At least I can go to sleep know and dream about capturing and ripping 18 hours of audio. I'm going to have an exciting weekend, at least this is a paying job.

JJK,
that might be it except he's getting video feedback as well.

Grazie,
does it look useful? I remember when music vids first came out, video feedback was all the rage.

Farss, I wish you were here to see it! But no . . it is rubbish.

Anyways, just come off the Dog 'n Bone to the guys who built my pc and they, actually he, said that the "other" f/w outlet is nothing more boring than being a 6-pin version, ie a "powered" f/w lead. The 4-pin I use is without the power . .

So back to square 1-ish. At present Vegas does NOT sought out the "streams" coming from the Canopus ACEDVio UNLESS I actually activate the Video>"Microsfot DV Camera and VCR Properties . . "> "Play" [ little green arrow ] . Then I can go below and use the "Capture Video" red button . . . hey ho . . .

On the PTT front I'm having too stick with PTTing from the t/l. This IS a bummer 'cos I quite like the functionality of being able to "Rack-up" files for PTTing within that PTT window. - Look I didn't have these issues with, sorry to mention it, my Dazzle AV<>DV converting box . . . . Vegas would just recognise what I was up to, and just do the business.

So what we/I have got here is that the Canopus and Vegas link command wont play nicely together, on just this point . . . bug anybody?

Grazie

Grazie,

Let me make sure I understand this correctly:

1. You get video and audio feedback when you are capturing from an analog source?

2. You get NO feedback when you are capturing from a DV source over firewire?

Also, why are you monitoring off the (DV, I presume) VCR? Wouldn't it make more sense to attach the monitor directly to the analogue outputs of the ACEDEVio?

I would think your connections should look like this:
- ACEDVio analog OUT to Monitor IN
- Analog VCR analog OUT to ACEDVio analog IN
- DV camera/Deck Firewire to ACEDVio firewire

I haven't used the ACEDVio, but I suspect there's some way of switching it between Analog to DV and DV to Analog. Make sure you're set to "Analog to DV" for capturing from an analog source (you may lose external monitor preview on this setting). Set the card back to "DV to Analog" for print to tape and external monitor preview.

Also, check the settings of your window audio mixer to make sure you don't have audio going in and out on the same port of your sound card. Click "mute all" if necessary.

Hope this helps.

BS - thanks . .onto another project now, so I can't give it my attention . . will take what you say on board. But I will say that I've set it up accroding to the makers spec. I think I've explained this several times further up.

It's only when I DON'T use the process explained above I get the "feedback".

Grazie