HEVC from iPhone X and horrible work of Vegas 16

vorob wrote on 3/25/2019, 7:24 AM

So I've got around 400 4K videos captures on iPhone X, duration of these clips varies from 5 to 60 sec captured with this data

Video: HVC1 3840x2160 60fps 50414kbps [V: Core Media Data Handler (hevc main, yuv420p, 3840x2160, 50414 kb/s)] 
Audio: AAC 44100Hz mono 97kbps [A: Core Media Data Handler (aac lc, 44100 Hz, mono, 97 kb/s)]

 

I'm doing simple things, just add videos to timeline, add a soft transition (just drag the new clip over old one on corners). But it's hell! The program is stuck on every action. I click on clip in explorer, and it thinks. I add it to timeline and it thinks. If I add 10 clip at one, just drag and drop it, it will stuck for some time or crash.

Sometimes my computer will freeze at all with some errors about low virtual memory. WTF is going on? This program works bad with HEVC codec from iPhone?

 

I've got i7 6700hq (3100mhz), nvidia 1070 with latest driver, win 10 latest build, 16gb of ddr 4.

 

What i'm doing wrong?

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vorob wrote on 3/25/2019, 7:33 AM

Ye, the problem is definitely about memory. I open my project, it eats 99% of 16gb ram and my windows is dead. Why? I already made page file with 30gb, but that doesnt help.

Former user wrote on 3/25/2019, 7:34 AM

Probably must be because it was recorded with a variable frame rate that is common feature of videos recorded with iphone. Vegas has difficulty with such files.

If this is indeed the case, one of the forum members is developing a tool that corrects this problem.

But I'm not sure if it really is that.Can you upload one of these clips so that we can analyze better?

j-v wrote on 3/25/2019, 7:37 AM

You'r using heavy files for a processor like yours is.
I see 3 options

- convert the files with a converter to AVC with steady framerate

- use proxy files in Vegas

- upgrade your processor

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vorob wrote on 3/25/2019, 7:39 AM

A better processor can solve lags, but what about crashed with memory errors?

vorob wrote on 3/25/2019, 7:43 AM

Probably must be because it was recorded with a variable frame rate that is common feature of videos recorded with iphone. Vegas has difficulty with such files.

If this is indeed the case, one of the forum members is developing a tool that corrects this problem.

But I'm not sure if it really is that.Can you upload one of these clips so that we can analyze better?

Here you go, i was sure that iphone captures with steady fps...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6kcgog7vb0m22ke/IMG_2118.MOV?dl=0

eikira wrote on 3/25/2019, 7:44 AM

A better processor can solve lags, but what about crashed with memory errors?

6700hq is a mobile CPU, so it probably will not be that easy to change that. At least you should look into 32gb RAM. And if possible take a cheap 128gb or 256gb NVMe to locate the page file on there.

j-v wrote on 3/25/2019, 8:13 AM

Here you go, i was sure that iphone captures with steady fps...

Your files has not 60fps but 30fps steady framerate.
Later on I will try that file a few times placed on a timeline on my VPro 16.

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james-ollick wrote on 3/25/2019, 8:14 AM

I downloaded the clip and brought it into VP16. The clip dropped on the timeline instantly and played at 30 fps. No issues. 🙂

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eikira wrote on 3/25/2019, 8:19 AM

I downloaded the clip and brought it into VP16. The clip dropped on the timeline instantly and played at 30 fps. No issues. 🙂

yeah, but he is talking about 400 clips not just that one.

Reyfox wrote on 3/25/2019, 8:43 AM

...then maybe start with a few clips at a time and then see when the bottleneck starts..... but one thing for sure, at least according to MediaInfo, this is not a 60fps video. It shows 30fps constant.

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Former user wrote on 3/25/2019, 9:04 AM

The video opens normal here. But if it were 400 clips with 4k resolution I sure would have the same problem. In this situation or should only work with some clips at a time or use proxies.

j-v wrote on 3/25/2019, 9:14 AM

Here I'm back on my desktop. I placed that file 5 times on the timeline of VPro 16, made crossfades between them and fades at beginning and end and played it full preview in a 4 K progressive 30p project.
As I will show no problem while in the meantime also I make a screenvideo with OBS. For sure with those files nothing wrong with the memory and the videocard is helping also I show you on the taskmanager.

 

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vorob wrote on 3/25/2019, 10:07 AM

Well, i've kinda solved this issue with installing Adobe Premiere. It works with no issues.

 

As for 60fps mentioned in first post, my mistake. All footage is 30fps for this project. Other things are correct.

fr0sty wrote on 3/25/2019, 10:47 AM

Your system is not a capable editing machine (weak CPU and not enough RAM), and HEVC is not a format designed to be edited, as it requires insane amounts of CPU power to decode vs other formats. You need to convert the files to a more editing friendly format, and get a better system, if you want steady performance.

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eikira wrote on 3/25/2019, 11:34 AM

Your system is not a capable editing machine (weak CPU and not enough RAM), and HEVC is not a format designed to be edited, as it requires insane amounts of CPU power to decode vs other formats. You need to convert the files to a more editing friendly format, and get a better system, if you want steady performance.

You most likely will not find any Smartphone that is capable of recording 4K in any other codecformat, at least i am not aware of one. By Converting it you need even more time for the whole thing than just make proxies out of it (which would be the way to go if one confronts performance issues about 2160p footage). And for the same overallquality preservence you need even more space on your drive.

fr0sty wrote on 3/25/2019, 4:56 PM

That's actually what I was referring to when I said convert, I should have been more specific.

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ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Kinvermark wrote on 3/25/2019, 5:36 PM

FWIW, your comment was quite clear to me. :) I think eikira hasn't quite worked out who the experienced & knowledgeable users are.

Besides, both proxies and intermediates are legitimate workflow solutions depending on circumstances.

 

eikira wrote on 3/26/2019, 12:19 AM

FWIW, your comment was quite clear to me. :) I think eikira hasn't quite worked out who the experienced & knowledgeable users are.

First of all, that is quiet arrogant in tone. Second i pointed just stuff out for the Threadcreator and not for you. Because maybe he cant and does not want to care about converting outside from vegas befor he can work with his 4K HEVC Iphone X stuff in Vegas, so it really does not matter if you understood what anybody else meant.

 

set wrote on 3/26/2019, 12:45 AM

Would you rather edit directly those videos but with 'suffering' due to HEVC very-enhanced compression ? ,

 

or

 

would you rather wait to transcode those HEVC compressed videos to intermediate format / create proxy but can have more enjoyable editing ?

 

I'll leave the answer to you.

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