I'm wondering: could the black frames be in the source video?
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They are not there INITIALLY in mine. However, they show up at random points, later.

Todays experience is interesting. I finished the whole edit of the tape and associatied audio yesterday. The last thing I did was remove black frames (which DO show, by the way) which had appeared since the last time I got rid of black frames.

Today I added a music bed. I did not TOUCH the video or its own audio tracks. However, after working on the music bed for about 3 hours I had 11 black frames to remove.

Hi William,

If you remove the bad frames and save before any other actions, then save-as another file and keep working until the black frames appear, will the original show black frames when you open it?

Similarly, if you delete black frames, then lock the video track and keep working, do the black frames still appear?



mph

P.S. which OS/processor?

I've had most of these problems(I'm running 3.0c(138). This is what I posted on CreativeCow on the 11/20

"I am wondering if this has happened to others....

On a project I recently completed the client wanted some changes which mostly involved removing material from the timeline(s). The timelines have many layers and track effects(mostly pan & zoom), etc. I noticed, after the edits, that in several areas where I had track effects(mostly pan and zoom) the keyframes were not on frames but inbetween frames. Believe me, I zoomed all the way in the track effect window, as well as the timeline, and they we no longer lined up. Also, there were places, say at a cut point, where clips would 'drop-out' for a frame but there is no gap between the clips on the timeline. In other cases/projects, I've noticed 'slivers' of frames left over after removing a clip or editing it. Another time I actually had a 'phantom' flash that I could see when playing the timeline but couldn't see as a frame when stepframing through frame by frame(and zoomed in to see individual frames). And, I've seen cuts that weren't on the frame. Are these bugs or do I have some setting wacked out?? Anyone else notice stuff like this?

Thanks for any insights you can give."

Marty got back to me with some suggestions which were great but the things he mentioned to check were set properly. Hopefully some of this can be figured out soon.

Sincerely,

Scott Babcock
Niles(Chicago), IL
www.scottbabcock.com

I get them sometimes when I do nothing more than use the split key in two places on the timeline, then delete the section in between, then double click and delete the blank space to join them. That is a straight cut. Sometimes there is also a small gap in the audio which can only be detected by zooming all the way in. I can't hear it though.

>>I get them sometimes when I do nothing more than use the split key in two places on the timeline>>

Same here.

Forgive me if I'm a kibbutzer... but I can't help thinking there must be a common denominator here somewhere.

Would everyone who has had this happen please post your system specs? It could really help a lot in moving forward on this issue. (We have seen issues related to specific hardware and software before, so let's check that out first.)

(I'm running WinME on a PIII, (Sony vaio laptop) and I cannot repro this issue.)


HTH, MPH

I also get the "flash" as scottbabcock mentioned.

1. Win 2000 pro
2. Sp-3 build 5.00.2195
3. 786 mgs ram 100
4. Supermicro P6SBA Motherboard
5. 1 gig Pentium III
6. VV-3.0C
7. Sound Forge 6.0D
8. Ibm 17 & 36 gig drive scsi drives
9. Seagate 17 gig scsi drive (boot)
10 Fujitsu 36 gig scsi drives (2)
11. Adaptec 29160
12. Audigy sound
13. Pioneer dvd rom scsi
14. Panasonic PD scsi
15. EZ keyboard
16. Acid pro 4.0
17. Steady Hand (Dynapel)
18. Slow Motion (Dynapel)
19. Motion Perfect (Dynapel)
20. Batch Converter
21. HP 9200 scsi cd writer
22. ATI 7500 32 meg (7,70-020418m-003815c-ATI)
23. 3D Vegas Pluggin
24. Batch Converter
25. Direct X (4.08.01.0881)
26. Media Player 7.1
27. Microsoft Office 95
28. Winfas 11.0
29. Quicken 2002
30. 3COM (3C-905B-TX)
Note: I have a problem with W2K---Every once in a while it hangs for no reason
sometimes just watching the screen---corrected by hitting ctrl x alt x delete
and selecting "task manager" then the upper right corner "X" and everything is
OK. I have three computers and all three do the same thing.

James J. Kizak

I've experienced this too, and thought it strange, but hadn't played around enough to be sure that it wasn't just me accidently nudging things. Like others, they would show up in areas I hadn't been working on. I did see them in preview even though no gap appeared between the clips when zoomed way in. My fix has just been to drag the later clip to the right and back left to re-snap it.

WinXP Pro sp1
P4 1.8
1.5 GB RAM
VV3.0c
all captures from TRV900

I'm getting both the black frames, and the wrong (prior) frame showing when the cursor is on a keyframe. Both of these intermittendly.

VV 3.0c
WinXP Home
Athlon XP 2000+
Asus A7V333 mobo
512 MB DDR Ram

Hi folks,

While we're looking...

Anybody NOT have 32k audio in the TL?


mph

This last project had no 32K audio.....no black frames, but then I usually never see black frames.

Getting both random black frames and wrong prior frame when keyframing.

Camcorder:
Sony DCR-TRV20

Vegas Video
Version 3.0c Build 138

Operating System
Platform: Windows 2000
Version: 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 2)
Language: English
System Locale: English
User Locale: English

Processor
Speed: 1GHz
Class: Pentium III
Identifier: GenuineIntel
Number of processors: 1
MMX available: Yes
SSE available: Yes
SSE2 available: No

Display
Primary: 1024x768x32

Video Adapter
Name: nVidea RIVA TNT2 Model 64
Memory: 16MB
Bios: 2.05.1704

Memory
Physical memory: 261.3 MB
Paging memory available: 631.7 MB
Virtual memory possible: 2,097.0 MB

External Monitor:
Sony PVM 1353MD

External Monitor fed by:
Firewire to DataVideo DAC-2
Component VUY to Component VUY on 1353MD

Any more suggestions about this problem since the last posts? The problems still occur.

Hi William,

I was wondering too...

Can you post:

Does "slipping" the media (alt-drag) in event resolve the frame, or move it, or no effect?
Does a lower layer show through the black?
Does adding the same media again as a "take" resolve the frame?
If you apply the Invert FX, does the black frame turn white?
Is the audio the exact same length as the video (zoomed waaaay in)?

Got *no* 32k audio in the program?

MPH

I think all this stuff is related to my "green triangle" issue, where butting two clips together sometimes lights the succeeding clip's green triangle, implying an overlap where there isn't any.

About a month ago, I corrresponded with SF on this issue and they indicated they were able to reproduce it in their lab; thus, I assume they can dig into the code and figure out why this is happening. At risk of sounding like a complete fool (not that hard for me to do), my guess is that the timecodes indicating the beginning and ending of an event are occasionally being corrupted by something.