Thanks Doug, I did see the post you recommended, one of the responses says that they will still sell you DVDa, but you have to contact them, that's what I'm trying to do. I'll try by going through the support link, although it says there may be a few days delay. I was hoping that someone in the community might have a quicker link. It's a bit sad that such a good product is languishing. I have got an older copy (4.5) on my old computer, I just want to get a new one on my new computer. I guess I could try and find a download of that version and try to regenerate a new code, but it seemed (optimistically) easier to buy a new version. Regards Phil