How do I use this new codec? (MC DV)

kentwolf wrote on 3/9/2004, 9:09 PM
I just downloaded the demo Main Concept DV codec in order to see if I can alleviate export and import issues with Particle Illusion. It's worth $50 to me.

Question is: How do I actually implelemt this demo DV codec?

In Vegas, I UNchecked "ignore 3rd party codecs."

I rebooted my PC and expected it to maybe be an export option somehow, but I'm just not seeing how to implelent the new codec.

Also. in Particle Illusion, various export codec options are presented, however, the demo MC codec is not in the list of export codecs.

Do I have a fundamental misunderstanding as to how to use this?

As per my GSpot codec utility, the codec is installed on my system.

Thanks for any insight...

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nmitch1 wrote on 3/9/2004, 9:17 PM
this should help you out. it worked for me.
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=239535&Page=0
filmy wrote on 3/10/2004, 6:26 AM
You need to choose stanadrd AVI as your export option. Than you go and select the AVI codec you want to use - the Main Concept DV codec is listed in that list.
kentwolf wrote on 3/10/2004, 6:56 PM
>>...you go and select the AVI codec you want to use - the Main
>>Concept DV codec is listed in that list.

FIlmy:

I assume you are talking about Particle Illusion.

The MC codec is *not* in that list.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
rebel44 wrote on 3/11/2004, 5:02 AM
Why would you want to use the MC codec. I have PI 3.1 and render everything in AVI before I import to Vegas for final editing. I never had any issue of codec. Use AVI codec provided by PI and import to Vegas.
kentwolf wrote on 3/11/2004, 9:16 PM
>>Why would you want to use the MC codec.

As per my original post, I want to alleviate issues when taking something in TO Particel Illusion. I don't want to have to render to uncompressed AVI.

>>I have PI 3.1 and render everything in AVI before I import to Vegas for final editing.

Going TO Vegas is not a problem. I am talking the reverse.

...all I really want to know is how to actually see the demo of the MC DV codec in use...which I have yet to see.

Any advice would be helpful...

Note: I did check the thread of the registry hack, and that's all well and good, and I see how I could do that.

If I could just do things the "stock, standard" way would be helpful...

Thanks!
filmy wrote on 3/12/2004, 7:54 AM
I may be misunderstanding your question. First you are asking about exporting from Vegas correct? (In Vegas, I UNchecked "ignore 3rd party codecs." I rebooted my PC and expected it to maybe be an export option somehow, but I'm just not seeing how to implelent the new codec.) To do that you do as I said - select the standard AVI codec (listed as "video for windows *.avi") and than click on "Custom", under the 'video' tab you choose the "Video Format" option and look at the drop down...If you have the newest codec you should find "MainConcept DV Codec 2.4.4" listed. You don't need to deselect that "ignore third party codecs" option at all.

As for the importing into PI I have no idea really. Normally there isn't a codec type import option. As for saving the file I would think the setting would be more or less the same as other programs - you select avi as the format and than somewhere there should be an option setting that allows you to choose the compression/codec. That is where the Main Concept codec would be listed.

I did a very quick search and found this post that may be of some help:

I was able to import my video footage from Vegas Video after unselecting the OpenDML (Avi 2.0) complience option in the render setting. Could it be that PI is not capable of reading the OpenDML files? I find there are actualy quite a few programs that have trouble with that.
rebel44 wrote on 3/12/2004, 9:56 AM
I did import some AVI clips to PI to add some library FX, but found out that I can control with more precision in Vegas (keyframes) that in PI.
Normaly I resize and add frames in PI then render in AVI.
Next I import to Vegas, key out the background and keyframe to control the motion and position in clip. You can control the size, motion and position in PI, but it is not as precise as in Vegas. Again I never had any problem importing AVI to PI. Working with uncompressed clip will give to you more choice of frames and beter editing without loosing of quality.
MPEG it is overprices-overrated codec. I use it only to burn dvd.
My choice is AVI or wmv9.
johnmeyer wrote on 3/12/2004, 10:18 AM
Can you frameserve from Vegas into PI?
mark2929 wrote on 3/12/2004, 10:31 AM
Thanks Filmy I dident know either how to use the main concept codec there website is not very good at explaining HOW .
rebel44 wrote on 3/12/2004, 2:09 PM
At wondertouch.com there it is list programs supported by PI. Unfortunatelly Vegas is not on this list. You can import avi files to PI and applay FX trough the clip,but better control can be achive in Vegas.
It would be helpfull if PI and Sony will cooperate and develop plug-in for Vegas. The January library have some cool FX.
kentwolf wrote on 3/18/2004, 9:56 PM
>>...under the 'video' tab you choose the "Video Format" option and look at
>>the drop down...If you have the newest codec you should
>>find "MainConcept DV Codec 2.4.4" listed...

Thanks, Filmy! I didn't know that that from whence you accessed the actual codec.

The MC codec positively does NOT show up as an export option from PI. I did (thanks to you) find it in the Vegas render options.

I did find that the export of the video clip from PI was absolutely horrible when rendering to AVI Full Frames, uncompressed. Effects looked terrific. The actual video was awful.

Far, far, far better to export the effects with no background (video) as an image seqnence with an alpha channel, then overlay it in Vegas.

It's probably a good idea to import the clip to PI for reference, but then get rid of it when through.

I really do not see a huge difference, if any at all, between the MC DV codec and the Vegas one. It does render slightly faster, but not that much.

Thanks again!