how big is the screen and i can tell you what projector to use ..

(somewhere over 1000 large format video projector systems installed to date i have done)

also -- in regard to hacking the HD sat downstream , D-Cinema uses several anti copymethods .. non of which have been broken ..

HDCP is a consumer version of an anti copy scheme and it works (though a pain sometimes)

Hi, I dont know the exact size of the screen but here is a photo of the theater that I am willing to show the movies on.
Maybe you can do a guess.

http://www.v-mp.com/Files/Pathe_Arena.jpg

Used camera for shooting Sony VX 2000
Aspect ratio 16:9.

Thanks,
Vighnesh

>>>Dude, read carefully -- I said "feature film editors". <<<

I did not say you didn't say that. I think you missed my joke - I said "Maybe if they are "top" editors under the age of, say, 20 - 25. If they never touched real film and cut real film they must have worked in TV news between maybe 1980's and after. LOL!" which, in part, relates to the old film vs video 'tude that used to go on...a lot. The other part is that TV clearly did use film however TV news clearly stopped using film for the most part and went over to video. So the joke part if that is you are a top editor under 20 chances are you have not been editing for that long and have only touched video. Thusly - those who would never have touched real film "must have worked in TV news between maybe 1980's and after."

And I guess to take it a step further - this is assuming that feature film editors would not be considered top editors if they were under 20 and most of the 'top" ones have been around for years - clearly the people you mention have worked with film and are cosidered top editors. I somehow doubt if you handed them an editing block, an upright (or a flatbed) and a grease pencil they would be baffeled as to what to do with them.

I also never meant to imply that one has to have worked in TV news or with 16mm film to be a top editor, I say this because of your comment about "A lot of them didn't cut TV news or docs or even work on 16mm believe it or not". I would fully believe it - I never worked in TV news but I did edit some 16mm stuff. I would say that 99% of the feature film stuff I cut was shot on 35mm. Until I worked with the Amiga and Studio 16, 100% of my post production audio editing and work was done on 35 mag. The first feature I cut on an NLE was done on a D/Vision system. Right before than the company had cut offline on video and manually wrote down the film edge numbers...because match back software did not exist. Have I cut any sort of film or mag over the last, say, 10 years? No - been doing it all in computer. Do I use an Avid? No. Do I like Avid? No. Have I used an Avid? Yes..didn't like it. I know I am one of the few however I also never did what everyone else was doing either.

But getting back to the point of film editing - I think it is pretty well answered. Film still isn't dead by any means. How it is handled in post has certianly changed however. Overly simple could be:
then:
Film > Film > Film

now:
Film > Video > Computer > Film/Video

future:
Video/Computer > Computer > Computer/Video

Actually this is of intrest here - the Star Trek "Borg" 'ride' in Vegas. Some specs -

The theatre has a small 16' x 9' "view port" . At one point the Borgs cut off the front wall to create a 35' opening. The reality is this -

THe front of the theatre is a 35' wide Stewart 3D projection screen. The walls are actually projected onto the screen and the view port is a PIP concept done with 2 Christie Digital CP2000 projectors. They have a 2048x1080 resolution. For the roof there is yet another screen and that image is projected by 2 Sanyo UF15 HD projectors.

As for ther actual "film" - it is played realtime, and in sync, via uncomressed HD. The overhead is compressed (I guess they figure no one really look above there heads anyway so the quality doesn't have to be as good???) and output via 2 Electrosonic MS9200 HD video players. As for the "film" itself - it features the first ever digital 3D hand held steadi-cam shot - don't know the details of that. But the "film" was 100% digitally done.

Digital cameras, digital post, digital output.

Thanks (filmy),
And Come on guys! no fighting over here : - )) we are all on the same side.


Vighnesh

Any opinion on the group Nightwish? I have been hearing really good things about them of late. But they are not really known hear in the states.

>>>Any opinion on the group Nightwish? I have been hearing really good things about them of late. But they are not really known hear in the states.
<<<
Sorry dont know anything about the band.

Any suggestion on the Video Projector type for this theater?

http://www.v-mp.com/Files/Pathe_Arena.jpg

Thanks,
Vighnesh

Is it just me or are the threads not on order?

RE: How does "Film" editing work? - 7/21/2004 9:52:08 PM (mbelli)
RE: How does "Film" editing work? - 7/22/2004 11:26:46 AM (filmy)
RE: How does "Film" editing work? - 7/22/2004 11:40:22 AM (v_gts)
UpConverter - Projector - 7/22/2004 4:35:03 AM (v_gts)
RE: UpConverter - Projector - 7/22/2004 6:04:21 AM (farss)
RE: UpConverter - Projector - 7/22/2004 6:12:24 AM (v_gts)
RE: UpConverter - Projector - 7/22/2004 8:01:03 AM (B_JM)
Theater screen - 7/22/2004 10:08:39 AM (v_gts)
RE: UpConverter - Projector - 7/22/2004 6:15:55 AM (v_gts)

One of my best firends, who lives in Sweden, told me yesterday they were huge over there and had the number 1 single in Finland and England. I keep seeing the name pop up.

>>>One of my best firends, who lives in Sweden, told me yesterday they were huge over there and had the number 1 single in Finland and England. I keep seeing the name pop up<<<

I dont understand.
Could you specify the subject?

I'd recommend that you go to a public library and read through back issues of American Cinematographer. You could spend several days going through the last 15 years of it.

I remember some articles about Star Trek: TNG. It was shot on film and then transfered to digital for editing and effects, I believe.

On the projection front, the first time I saw "Finding Nemo" here in San Francisco it was a digital projection. It looked great-bright, vibrant, and without dust or scratches.

As far as Lucas stories go, a Star Wars fanatic friend told me in 1981 that lucas intended to eventually shoot some of the 9 episodes digitally and distribute them electronically. No physical copies were to be distributed at all.

He'll certainly get there.

Rob Mack

Grain vs clear digital has plusses and minuses. Grain is random and can't really cause moire effects. Digital has fixed positions for the pixels and can very easily moire.

It's a small point.

Rob Mack

you have about a 35' screen ...

you will need 6000 lm to meet min. standards... 7000+ would be nice ..


for fairly cheap rental - a sanyo (also sold under the eiki , christie and proxima brand names) PLC-UF10 would do good for brightness - though being LCD would have more screendoor effect ..

good possibilities:
Panasonic PT-D7600U with an anamorphic adapter
Christie Mirage 6000 or Roadster S6 (with adapter)
NEC 6000DX (also sold by digital projection)
2 x projectiondesign F1 's with anamorphic or their wide screen versions - note: these projectors are sold by a number of companies (digital projection and christie and others) and have a superb picture and are really quite cheap.

there are a number of new wide screen DLP projectors now out and coming out -- but finding them in a rental inventory is difficult at times .

Thanks B_JM !
thats great info!

I will try to find a rental place for one of these projectors.

Vighnesh.

Btw, Should I cancel the 'Upconverter idea'?
Or could it help increase the sharpness of the projection?

http://www.adstech.com/products/HDUP1500/intro/HDUP1500intro.asp?pid=HDUP1500#HDTV%20Upconverter%20F.A.Q’s

Thanks,
Vighnesh

do not bother with a upconvertor ..

though you can use a samsung HD931 or zenith equal to it -- which have upconvertors built in (but do not work with all projecotrs)