How many people want Vegas/Hardware combination?

StormMarc wrote on 6/19/2003, 11:37 AM

I own a Storm/Premiere system which for certain real-time tasks can be a life-saver. However the more I get into Vegas the more I am absolutely amazed with the software! The Storm plugin interface and Adode premiere seem so outdated in comparison. Add to that... premiere instability with complex projects and I long for a hardware/Vegas solution. Vegas can take very long to render on big projects however which can be limiting in some instances and the true realtime output of the Storm is nice for tweaking effects.

Even Avid is going back to hardware for their DV edit system with the new Mojo box. And I know that many people on the Canopus forums would have switched full time to Vegas if it was not for the render times. People praise Vegas all the time over there. In fact I can't say I ever hear anything, anywhere bad about Vegas except for render times and of course the Premiere loyalists who try to say Vegas is a toy editor for beginners.

So I'm wondering if there is any hope or want of hardware support, or if the new higher end computers coming down the pipe will soon bring true realtime functionality to Vegas?

Marc

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kwshaw1 wrote on 8/15/2003, 4:59 PM

Two comments:

(1) I currently own Canopus DVStorm2 and like the idea that it offers impressive capabilities today with the added benefit of expandability using future faster computers. Real-time editing and output DO matter and once you have those features you don't want to use anything that doesn't.

(2) Pinnacle is claiming impressive real-time results for Edition 5 without dedicated hardware. Just make Vegas like that and everyone's happy. Duh.

BillyBoy wrote on 8/15/2003, 5:11 PM

Pinnacle has claimed lots of things. Probably why lots of Pinnacle users have switched to Vegas. Duh!

Sab wrote on 8/16/2003, 1:02 AM

I am (was) a very happy and contented Canopus DV Storm/Premiere user for quite some time until I had a chance to use Vegas for a couple of months. Going on almost a year later and have never looked back.

We missed the real time output at first, but once you get acclimated to a workflow that includes real time preview but not real time output, you learn to approach things differently. I find our company more productive overall with Vegas.

Vegas paired with real time hardware would be awesome but would we start having the same problems Premiere has with many hardware systems? That's a problem that doesn't exist with Vegas as it is.

Mike

DavidNJ wrote on 8/16/2003, 12:47 PM

Lawrence,

Why the small disks? The high capacity disks are denser and therefore have a higher throughput. Basically, its how quickly you can move the data under a read head.

Also note, the P5 will be out within a couple of months, raising the CPU speeds 30-50%. It will also have some internal enhancements. A possible cause to wait.

Lastly, and more relevant to this thread, why not consider a Xeon board? Only slightly more expensive than a single processor board, you could be running 2 3Ghz Hyper-threaded processors with dual channel memory. The memory would be slower than the lastest P4s or upcoming P5s, but the 4 concurrent threads and 6Ghz total capacity should more than make up for it.

David

kwshaw1 wrote on 8/20/2003, 12:08 PM

Sab: seems to me that the problems with Premiere are not inherent to real-time editing, since Canopus' own software works fine with their real-time hardware. I can see how real-time previewing would be adequate for many purposes, but there simply shouldn't be any question that real-time output is a desirable feature if it can be implemented effectively. The reviews of Pinnacle Edition 5 indicate that it successfully achieves impressive real-time (analog) output without dedicated hardware, and the approach Pinnacle used sounds like it could be adapted to any editing software. If SoFo doesn't want to get involved with real-time hardware they should at least keep pushing the envelope for real-time software, since that is what everyone here would want if they could get it.