George Krzyzewski wrote:
>>Concerning Victor and Aaron and all the B.S. aliases.
>>

Whoa, now....
Don't lump me in as a vegas hater...vegas is the ONLY PC multitrack
app that I will use, and you will only tear it from my hard drive if
I am six feet under.
If you go back and check my posts, for the most part you will see me
hoping in a positive way for some of the changes that will fulfill
this product's potential.
I try to make suggestions, with answers and theories I have arrived
at by USING this product, and trying like hell to break it...
Go back and check my posts before you flame me, and I think you will
see that I am very much interested in your best interests
I stick up for Victor a lot, because his points are not only valid,
they are ESSENTIAL to making Vegas all that it can be...
I have clients that are 1000 trimes more anal and cranky than Victor,
and all it does is help me make my setup better....
Remember: diversity
War is the mother of invention

>>1. You are carrying the torch of truth!

I DO know what I'm talking about, check my posts, and you'll see me
ASK questions...I'm not a know it all, but I think I would LIKE to
know it all, I'm trying...in fact I think a few months ago, I learned
something from YOU

>>2. We are victimized audio consumers with our heads up our
>> asses

I never said that, however in some cases it may be true

>>3. Nuendo and Digi001 are the Ferrari 850's and Vegas is an
>> old Chevy cavalier.

I like to think of Vegas as a '68 440 Roadrunner, sure, there's no
padding on the seats but it is faster than Bullit, and some how sexy
in a powerful sort of way...stripped down to the core, without any
feature bloat....Beep Beep

If you read any of my posts you KNOW I dont like Steinberg one little
iota
And as for the digi 001, I HATE proprietary stuff, so that MAC reject
is out the window for me

>>4. All of the unprofessional attributes of Vegas that you
>> have identified will never improve, because Sonic Foundry
>> is involved in a criminal conspiracy to take our money
>> and give us multitrack Acid.

Also, in my posts, it may seem like sonic foundry is that way, but I
stubbornly and hopefully refuse to believe it. I have had nothing but
good things whenever I write to Peter, and Kelly has helped me over
the phone several times....Thanks a BILLION for the article on hard
drive optimization Kelly!

>>5. We are overcome with fear about speaking out about Sonic
>> Foundry's audio products, and as our noses are going up
>> the asses of Sonic Foudry Engineers, you guys are
>> standing your ground and fighting the good fight for all
>> of us.

I never said that, but I am trying to fight the good fight, but
certainly NOT against sonic foundry, for the most part...there have
been some regrettable "tech" support incidents, but once I knew that
Kelly, Peter and Tom were the guys to talk to, I havent had any
trouble

>>6. We (none of us) have professional audio experience and
>> need you to lead us down the tunnel to the light.
>>

Go straight past the Mackie door, turn right at Neve for the scenic
view or continue on and take a left at SSL for the quick and clean,
try to exit the tunnel at the focusrite station

>>NOW! Since we admit to all of these points, can we (in our
>>own little inexperienced way) pass around the info pipe
>>with other lame consumers and goof around with this product,
>>maybe even exchange some info about new bugs, hardware
>>issues, and make a few undeserved bucks?

Yes you may
to goof is to create

>>P.S. To SF
>>Can we set this up so that people who are interested in
>>having a forum about this software, associated hardware,
>>patches, bugs etc., can have an equal or greater voice than
>>people who want to use it as a platform for their "views"
>>about software merchandizing. and variou philosophical
>>opinions. I know that my suggestion will cause a reaction
>>by some members of the forum, citing censorship and freedom
>>of speech. But frankly, go find somebody who wnts to
>>listen.
>>George Krzyzewski
>>Open Doors

Its nice to shut things out sometimes, but only knowledge can set you
free
Victor can't hurt you, in his Fletcheresque way, he is making all of
us a little wiser

mike hunter wrote:
>>J@ker and The Link Master soon to visit the forum...

J@ker is the GOD of the other side of the computer screen

His humble servant and devotee
Aaron carey
Pipeline Audio

I would disagree with the making anyone wiser.Mainly wasting alot of
valuable reading for people who are here to use the product,not abuse.
That is unacceptable.This is not a bar with a bunch of drunks is it?
Look at Mr nichols forum.Inteligent conversations!Do like to go to
the theatre and have that loud mouth infront of you talking through
the movie or giving it all away?{yes I know this is not his forum}!!
I am not even interested in posting here much anymore or even
stopping by.I could only hope it improves.Sorry users who are trying
to get some answers to our product.And as you said Aaron about the
tech support folks.I have talked to Peter and there is an update
around the corner.They are not going to do two fixes and then put it
out to have everyone bitch for the rest.They are working on all
possible fixes and then you get the fix.This is common amongst all
soft companies.Just the fact.My friend at euphonics will agree as
well as IQSoft or Systems.I thought we knew these things here as much
talk as everyone has to do???
Motu? all of them.
Ireally would like to have good conversations with folks here as well
as share my knowledge and learn as well from others.
I will not bug about this anymore.Just watch and see what happens.
Good luck.

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>George Krzyzewski wrote:
>>>>Concerning Victor and Aaron and all the B.S. aliases.
>>>>
>>
>>Whoa, now....
>>Don't lump me in as a vegas hater...vegas is the ONLY PC multitrack
>>app that I will use, and you will only tear it from my hard drive
if
>>I am six feet under.
>>If you go back and check my posts, for the most part you will see
me
>>hoping in a positive way for some of the changes that will fulfill
>>this product's potential.
>>I try to make suggestions, with answers and theories I have arrived
>>at by USING this product, and trying like hell to break it...
>>Go back and check my posts before you flame me, and I think you
will
>>see that I am very much interested in your best interests
>>I stick up for Victor a lot, because his points are not only valid,
>>they are ESSENTIAL to making Vegas all that it can be...
>>I have clients that are 1000 trimes more anal and cranky than
Victor,
>>and all it does is help me make my setup better....
>>Remember: diversity
>>War is the mother of invention
>>
>>>>1. You are carrying the torch of truth!
>>
>>I DO know what I'm talking about, check my posts, and you'll see me
>>ASK questions...I'm not a know it all, but I think I would LIKE to
>>know it all, I'm trying...in fact I think a few months ago, I
learned
>>something from YOU
>>
>>>>2. We are victimized audio consumers with our heads up our
>>>> asses
>>
>>I never said that, however in some cases it may be true
>>
>>>>3. Nuendo and Digi001 are the Ferrari 850's and Vegas is an
>>>> old Chevy cavalier.
>>
>>I like to think of Vegas as a '68 440 Roadrunner, sure, there's no
>>padding on the seats but it is faster than Bullit, and some how
sexy
>>in a powerful sort of way...stripped down to the core, without any
>>feature bloat....Beep Beep
>>
>>If you read any of my posts you KNOW I dont like Steinberg one
little
>>iota
>>And as for the digi 001, I HATE proprietary stuff, so that MAC
reject
>>is out the window for me
>>
>>>>4. All of the unprofessional attributes of Vegas that you
>>>> have identified will never improve, because Sonic Foundry
>>>> is involved in a criminal conspiracy to take our money
>>>> and give us multitrack Acid.
>>
>>Also, in my posts, it may seem like sonic foundry is that way, but
I
>>stubbornly and hopefully refuse to believe it. I have had nothing
but
>>good things whenever I write to Peter, and Kelly has helped me over
>>the phone several times....Thanks a BILLION for the article on hard
>>drive optimization Kelly!
>>
>>>>5. We are overcome with fear about speaking out about Sonic
>>>> Foundry's audio products, and as our noses are going up
>>>> the asses of Sonic Foudry Engineers, you guys are
>>>> standing your ground and fighting the good fight for all
>>>> of us.
>>
>>I never said that, but I am trying to fight the good fight, but
>>certainly NOT against sonic foundry, for the most part...there have
>>been some regrettable "tech" support incidents, but once I knew
that
>>Kelly, Peter and Tom were the guys to talk to, I havent had any
>>trouble
>>
>>>>6. We (none of us) have professional audio experience and
>>>> need you to lead us down the tunnel to the light.
>>>>
>>
>>Go straight past the Mackie door, turn right at Neve for the scenic
>>view or continue on and take a left at SSL for the quick and clean,
>>try to exit the tunnel at the focusrite station
>>
>>>>NOW! Since we admit to all of these points, can we (in our
>>>>own little inexperienced way) pass around the info pipe
>>>>with other lame consumers and goof around with this product,
>>>>maybe even exchange some info about new bugs, hardware
>>>>issues, and make a few undeserved bucks?
>>
>>Yes you may
>>to goof is to create
>>
>>>>P.S. To SF
>>>>Can we set this up so that people who are interested in
>>>>having a forum about this software, associated hardware,
>>>>patches, bugs etc., can have an equal or greater voice than
>>>>people who want to use it as a platform for their "views"
>>>>about software merchandizing. and variou philosophical
>>>>opinions. I know that my suggestion will cause a reaction
>>>>by some members of the forum, citing censorship and freedom
>>>>of speech. But frankly, go find somebody who wnts to
>>>>listen.
>>>>George Krzyzewski
>>>>Open Doors
>>
>>Its nice to shut things out sometimes, but only knowledge can set
you
>>free
>>Victor can't hurt you, in his Fletcheresque way, he is making all
of
>>us a little wiser
>>

Sorry Aaron if I lumped you in. My frustration is not aimed at
anyone, it's the lack of rock solid pro dialog about how to get
things working better. Mike, you are totally welcome to your opinion
about all of the elements you cited. So what! I don't need you to
save me, I need you as well as anyone in the forum to get down to the
real business of making our software and hardware work better. If
you have issues with my or others behavior towards SF and our
inability to perceive what's happening as you do, so be it. Now, can
we yak about some audio stuff?
George
Open Doors

George Krzyzewski wrote:
>>
>>Sorry Aaron if I lumped you in.

No problem


>>My frustration is not aimed at
>>anyone, it's the lack of rock solid pro dialog about how to get
>>things working better.
>>save me, I need you as well as anyone in the forum to get down to
the
>>real business of making our software and hardware work better.

My frustration too
Maybe we users can get together, and see what things WE really NEED
from Sonic Foundry to use this app to its fullest

Here's my two cents, remember, I dont record in Vegas, so my needs
may be less than yours:
in no particular order

sample accurate sync

fx parameter automation

dynamic signal routing, A.K.A. a digital patchbay(when I think about
it, the routing solutions I need are different from what others may
need, so a customizable system, like a patch bay is probably best)

fix the "open copy in sound forge" bug

aux and fx send pan controls(not being able to use direct-x aux fx in
vegas, pushes is down to cool edit pro level)

MIDI control of automation....just give us an open one, many of us
can figure out how to implement it with sysex

"non-molestation" of levels, like an option to turn EPP panning off

those are the main ones bugging me for now
maybe where all our needs cross, the features can be implemented

I got done with a session and went to see if i had been killed and
slaughtered for my post and I found bliss!!!Everyone was talking good
audio talk!!!!!Thank you guys!!Let us work together as Aaron said!
They will listen!
Thank you again!!:-)

The Coroner wrote:
>>George:
>>
>>This is a very different George from the one that set out to tell
>>Victor and his "BS Aliases" to get lost. You could have started
here.
>>I'll be more than happy to talk about ANYTHING related to audio
>>recording as long as we respect each other enough to accept the
truth.
>>Different opinions never hurt anyone, or any company.
>>Look at the issue of "punch-in/out" on the fly. When first raised,
>>Peter Haller could have done the right thing by saying: Yes, Vegas
>>does lack that particular feature, and we are considering
implementing
>>it on a next release." . Case closed!
>>But no, he came out with all sorts of excuses to justify why Vegas
>>didn't have it. The result: a bunch of posts where the lies were
>>exposed. Is that necessary?
>>The best way to deal with someone like me (Victor) is to be honest.
>>Tell me the truth in an honest, simple manner and you get my
respect.
>>Lie to me and I'll do whatever is necessary to prove you a liar.
>>
>>Bottom line: if you want constructive dialog, you can get it from
me.
>>
>>
>>Victor.
>>
>>George Krzyzewski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Sorry Aaron if I lumped you in. My frustration is not aimed at
>>>>anyone, it's the lack of rock solid pro dialog about how to get
>>>>things working better. Mike, you are totally welcome to your
>>opinion
>>>>about all of the elements you cited. So what! I don't need you
to
>>>>save me, I need you as well as anyone in the forum to get down to
>>the
>>>>real business of making our software and hardware work better.
If
>>>>you have issues with my or others behavior towards SF and our
>>>>inability to perceive what's happening as you do, so be it. Now,
>>can
>>>>we yak about some audio stuff?
>>>>George
>>>>Open Doors