How to burn CDA projects in Nero

Ludichris wrote on 1/2/2003, 3:13 AM

Having issues burning directly in CDA 5.0? I am. (see "The Burning Issue") Here's an easy work around that provides a two advantages over burning directly from CDA: support for writing CD-TEXT and for Yamaha's "Audio Master" write method and Disc T@2 (if your drive supports CD-TEXT/is a newer Yamaha.)

You need:
1) CDA
2) Nero Burning ROM (www.nero.com)
I'm using 5.5.10.0 Yamaha
3) Premaster 2.0 by Colin Hill (http://projecteva.net/)

1. Create your project in CDA. If you want CD-TEXT, enter track titles in the Title field Track List. Save your project as a .wav image. (If you'll be editing it again later, save the normal .cdp file as well).

2. Open Premaster, click Load Master and open your .wav image.
If you want to write CD-TEXT, check the Write Text Data box, and type in the disc title and artist if needed. Click Save CUE Sheet to save the .cue file.

3. Open Nero and cancel the dialog box that appears. From the File menu, select Burn Image and open your .cue file. Set the burning options in the next dialog and click Burn Disc.

4. Thank Colin Hill for his software, without which I can't and never would have been able to use CDA properly at all. Thank you!

*You can burn directly from Premaster without Nero if Premaster works properly with your CD Burner (it's flaky with this new Yamaha on my system).
**Burning the same .wav image file directly from CDA does NOT solve the problems the workaround addresses.
***Nero's default settings allow slightly less than 80 minutes on an audio CD. Enable over-burn to get around this, but I wouldn't if it isn't really necessary.

-Chris

Comments

Rednroll wrote on 1/2/2003, 11:31 AM

Thanks for the info. Maybe if SF wouldn't have discontinued CDA, maybe it would be on track feature for feature with Nero. Nero, was developed after CDA 4.0 and sold for $50 and is the most reliable burning program available. It's a pretty sad day, when an outside developer like Colin Hill can come in and give desired features with a work around program and Sonic Foundry can't even step up to the plate and do the same within their own program. And Colin developed this program over 2 years ago. Or maybe SF thinks that things like CDtext, CDimage rendering that can be used in other apps, and multi-burner support is not desired in a CD authoring app?

Once again, Thank you Colin Hill.

Estuardo wrote on 1/2/2003, 1:06 PM

Kudos to Ludichris and, of course, Colin Hill.

Since many (better) CD/RW's could not be used with CDA4, I used Colin Hills's program to write to my Plextor 24/10/40, and it worked with burn proof. His CDPburn v1.00 and CDPBurn v1.13beta would not work burning directly to this burner, importing information from CDA4, but I got great success using his Premaster Utility v1.00 and CDA4 with my Plextor.

I really like CDA5. It's so much better, although there are a couple things CDA4 had that I wish CDA5 did (custom fades and ability to change the wave view colors). But overall, it's much better.

Like Ludichris said, I too have a problem with the buffer not being filled during bruning, continually depleating to 0%, burner stops, buffer fills, and the process starts all over again. But on another computer (laptop), there is no problem (although it's not using burnproof).

If this buffer depletion becomes an issue, I'm glad I can always use Colin Hills premaster program - and create CDText.

Nero is solid. Too bad SF can't incorporate some of that stability.

Thanks again for the workaround.

//Stu

Geoff_Wood wrote on 1/3/2003, 4:09 AM

"Since many (better) CD/RW's could not be used with CDA4, I used Colin Hills's program to write to my Plextor 24/10/40, and it worked with burn proof. His CDPburn v1.00 and CDPBurn v1.13beta would not work burning directly to this burner, importing information from CDA4, but I got great success using his Premaster Utility v1.00 and CDA4 with my Plextor"

Very few CD-R(W)s couldn't work with CDA4. Did you try the SCSI or ATAPI MMC Compatible settings, as suggested ?

geoff

Khalidsattar wrote on 1/9/2003, 8:23 AM

I have tried using CDA, Premasster, the cue sheet and Nero, as well as using the .wav image file from CDA and Premaster, but in either case when I load the completed audio cd in my computer to listen via Windows Media or Real Audio, the track names still appear as Track 1, Track 2, etc., and it still says Unknown Artist and Unknown Album. Anyone know what the problem could be? I entered the track names and cd info in both CDA as well as Premaster.

thanks
khalid

Geoff_Wood wrote on 1/9/2003, 3:47 PM

Khalid,

You are confusing 3 different things.

1 - The function of the 'Track Name' field in CDA . Yes it *should* be the CD-TEXT track name, but it is not and CD-Text is not supported yet, which I guess is point 2. CD-Text is on SF's 'planned feature list' - I suspect they initally somehow had no clue as to the demand (expectation) for this feature.

And 3 - the info you are referring to is brought up in Media Player etc by searching an internet database, based on the unique identifier number of a given CD title - not something actually encoded onto a CD.

An oddity is that if that database info has not been previously entered (usually by the record company), the first person who tries can (? could) enter whatever info he likes which then becomes'fixed' for the whole world. Someone recently did this with a NZ Symphony Orchestra CD, entering crude comments in reply to the prompts, not realising he was actually setting this album info world-wide !

geoff

Khalidsattar wrote on 1/9/2003, 4:27 PM

Thanks for the reply. From reading the first post in this thread, it seemed like by using a combination of tools, it was possible to get the track names to show up. I guess I am still a bit confused. So is it that the cds I burned may in fact have the track info, but I need a special cd player (and not Windows Media or Real Audio) to have it show up?

I am about the produce a cd set for someone which is why I am trying to figure this out.

thanks
khalid

Geoff_Wood wrote on 1/9/2003, 11:07 PM

No, CDA5 so far does *NOT* encode CD-TEXT. Of course your player must also support the display of CD-TEXT.

geoff

Rednroll wrote on 1/11/2003, 1:35 PM

Geoff Wood said:
"1 - The function of the 'Track Name' field in CDA . Yes it *should* be the CD-TEXT track name, but it is not and CD-Text is not supported yet, which I guess is point 2. CD-Text is on SF's 'planned feature list' - I suspect they initally somehow had no clue as to the demand (expectation) for this feature."

Were'nt you one of the users who kept asking for them to bring back CD architect, because you JUST couldn't work as efficiently within Vegas? Yet, you even state that CDA 4.0 worked with most EVERY CD burner if you use the MMC drivers. Now why would you want them to bring it back, if you already had CDA4.0 and MMC works with every drive? You think, if you where going to ask them to bring it back, then you might also ask them for some up to date features like "CD-Text"....Somehow, that request must have slipped your mind, but somehow you think you speak for the majority of the users.

When they first discontinued CDA about 2 years ago, I was the one upset, because I thought it had so much more features that it could evolve into like CD text, and then implement DVD authoring when the price of DVD burners came down in price. Now that the future is becoming so much clearer...wow what do you know? DVD Architect is coming...right after the reimmergence of CD Architect. So do you really still believe CD architect was brought back for users like yourself who couldn't work efficiently in Vegas? Or do you think it was more of a marketing idea to bring it back and rush it out the door, for the prelude introduction of DVD Architect? I could do a search through these forums and find it one of the 1600 posts I've put in these forums and show it to you.

Geoff_Wood wrote on 1/11/2003, 3:07 PM

I run a business and tend to use legitimate software. My preference was to use CDA and I could not do so legitimately because it was no longer available for sale when I 'discovered' it.

When I first suggested CDA should be resurrected, CD-TEXT was not a significant thing for me. Now it is.

Because it actualy did work just fine for me (in the physical sense - I had 3 drives, ATAPI and SCSI, that were not directly supported, but were fully functional under the MMC drivers), should not infer that I felt no further development should ever be done on it ! WRT CD-TEXT and maybe customised fades, that would still seem to be the case, and maybe a few things nobody has even thought of yet (without getting too far from the original concept). If I want to record data I will use Vegas, and even write simple things DAO/TAO in Vegas.

I do not claim to speak on behalf of any user other than myself. I could not help but notice that some others express similar (not necessarily exactly the same) sentiments as mine.

geoff

Ludichris wrote on 1/14/2003, 7:48 AM

Woah... you guys are totally missing the point of Khalid's question:

> ...when I load the completed audio cd in my computer to listen via Windows
> Media or Real Audio, the track names still appear as Track 1, Track 2,> etc., and it still says Unknown Artist and Unknown Album. Anyone know
> what the problem could be?

There probably isn't any problem, with what you're doing anyway. As far as I can tell, most media players I know do NOT support CD-TEXT and instead rely on searching internet databases based on the track number, length, and some codes or something stored in the TOC on the CD. This is really stupid, but it seems to be the case. If you want to check that CD-TEXT was encoded correctly, put in the CD, open up Nero, and under Recorder click "Save Track", then select your CD drive. If the track names show up in the Title field, the CD-TEXT data was written correctly. I don't know if this also depends on your CD drive- maybe it doesn't work with really old ones, but I doubt it. Also, you _do_ need a "special" CD player to read CD-TEXT. Look for CD-TEXT written right under the Compact Disc logo on the player. Hope that helps.
-Chris

Geoff_Wood wrote on 1/14/2003, 3:20 PM

Ludicris - regarding the Media Player database thing, check my post 6 back....

R0cky wrote on 1/27/2003, 5:32 PM

nero ain't perfect - it has a lot of trouble making bootable data cd's.

iftach wrote on 1/31/2003, 7:39 AM

Dear Chris,
Your tip is the sort of message forums are here for.
Thanks to your suggestion I am now using CDA 4 and 5 reliably again, so thank you!

I wanted your advice on this matter, though:
When compiling a client’s session that ran long – 20 songs, 76 minutes, the “save as” wav file turned out to be too big for Nero to burn on CD (approx. 800MB). I am not using any effects or dithering in the final stage (not that I am certain they are to alter the length of the final wav file).
Some test burning directly from CDA 5 (verbatim media and Yamaha machine) yielded many coasters, but one working CD (that was, alas, a CDR-W media), which means the project is “burnable”. How do I overcome this?

Sincerely,
I. Landau.

RikTheRik wrote on 1/31/2003, 8:19 PM

Thanks alot for these informations !!!
I would really hope though to see someway to generate an ISO file in some later update of CDA !!

inspector wrote on 2/3/2003, 8:11 AM

Have you tried an 80 minute CD? Or, in Nero you can change the limits to allow for an overburn. You may be able to squeeze in the extra minutes. Because the original had multiple scratches in it, I was able to extract the audio at a slow speed and overburn with Nero a Gram Parsons Cd that was about 2 minutes long on 74 minute CD.

Steve

timparis wrote on 2/6/2003, 2:43 PM

One other thing- Nero allows multiple simultaneous burns- 2 for the standard registered version, and more for an extra license fee...

stusy wrote on 2/8/2003, 9:39 PM

Not to be a B Ho about it, I have Nero(the latest update) and CDA 5, and honestly, I've worked mostly with Nero to date; the reason why I got both was to do audio CDs of my songs...the reason why I got CDA 5 was because of knowledgable hearsay and limited research on my part and I don't regret the purchase at all...it just seems like goin from Nero to CDA 5 would be a step down...but what do I know...