Being a new user I've found the link at Creative Cow to have a few helpful tutorials:
You'll just have to sit thru some annoying commercials. Which is one of things I really hate about the cow forums is all the flashing cheezy adds in the sidebars. (:

http://library.creativecow.net/rofrano_john/BCC-Extruded-Text-Animations/1

http://forums.creativecow.net/search.php?q=tutorial&f[]=15

Start with setting your keyframe pallet to linear and select keep keyframe time and hold start end values = window = scroll to keyframe pallet.
This will create keys in the same style/interpolation as Vegas which you are accustomed to.

Red’ looks complicated but is not, with a bit of time you will get the feel for it. Simply put think of it like this
Compositions/comps/sequences/ are made up of containers/boxes. If I take a box and inside place a hat and a shoe and add an fx to the box it will affect both hat and shoe as a whole = the box with the space around them inside the box, If I add fx to the shoe it will affect the shoe’s surface only not the space around the shoe or box.. if I want an effect to affect the shoe only and the space around the shoe and not the hat I place another smaller box inside my initial big box and place the shoe inside that box and then add the effect onto that smaller box.

The same applies to compositing in Red, if you want to use a mask from an alpha channel = duplicate the media and drag it onto the mask track in the box.

Motion also is similar in the container/box control window select 3d so each box will have its own 3d space xyz within the main 3d container box and both the hat and shoe will have each its own xyz perameters.

Stick with it. It will gel. Give yourself some time with it.

Creative cow is the only place where you can go for help, a word of warning on cow forum……..It’s more a place for calf worship than a place of learning so please don’t mention the cheesy ads.

Thank you, Byron and Rory
The shoebox analogy makes me feel more warm and comfortable with RED.
I don't really expect to master RED overnight -- I've been working with Vegas ever since its "infant" days as an audio-only environment, and I'm still learning new Vegas techniques.

I am struggling to figure Red out as well. I thought when I bought it that I'd be able to access the assorted filters that come with it (such as the BCC7 set and the FE set) from other host applications, but they're all wrapped up in the Red engine and I am unable to find tutorials for some of the filters I'd like to try. It's incredibly frustrating. Most tutorials that are purportedly about Red are actually about BCC7 and invariably show how to use the filters directly in the host application rather than using the Red engine (the link provided by Byron is an example of this).

I suspect that I may be better off, from a time management point of view, seeing if I can get a refund on Red and just buy the BCC7 set, unless someone can guide me to a good spot to get information on how to use the full BCC7 filter set, but within the Red engine?

Being a new user I can relate to what you're going thru. (:

Just hang in there. Do some simple things from the tutorials that use the Boris user interface to get familiar with it.. From what I've observed so far, the Boris user interface is basically the same for all the effects. I'd recommend to learn the Boris UI because it looks more powerful than the integrated Vegas UI. Like anything, It just takes some patience and practice to get familiar w/ the icons, buttons and logic. IMHO it doesn't look much harder to learn than Vegas.. If we can learn Vegas we can learn Boris RED. ((;

I've just been watching lots of tutorials to understand the "lingo" and doing simple transitions fades, simple cheezy stuff to get the feel. I don't expect to be doing JonnyRoy stuff for AT LEAST 6 months! (:

I've just discovered that some of the features I was after are only available in BCC7 for AE, anyway, so I'm looking into exchanging my Red licence for BCC7 for AE. I'd rather use the filters through AE than start from scratch using an entirely new GUI. I just don't have the time.

Crocdoc all of the features for BCC7 are available in RED in fact red has more features and filters than BCC7. Using Red 5 in Vegas will be a better option than BCC7

Copy the filter set in c drive= program files= boris fx = from bcc7 to red if they are not all available.

hi rory,

getting a little confused (not hard at my age). are you saying red 5 has ALL of bcc 7 and more?

why would boris promote two identical programs?

why do you think red is easier on the vegas mind ;-)?

i played with bcc7 and am thinking about it, but if you really think red 5 is better maybe i should look at it?

(having admired your demo clips for sometime now, i feel you probably know what you're talking about ;-))

Leslie I always bring something to the table, most times its confusion.

Yes RED 5 has all BCC7 filters and more.
The shortfall in BCC7 compared to RED 5 is BCC7 does not allow you to composite more than 1 piece of media on that track and maintain parallax/between multiple tracks
RED 5 will give you this and if you want to use Vegas composite platform you can with RED 5 multiple media track integrated layer maintain perspective ,shadows etc.

A large part of my editing requires unique intro’s or sequences within a project etc so Vegas with RED 5 maximizes my options but for normal edits of content I can also use RED 5 on the track as you would with BCC7……NOT ON MEDIA but on the track level = full options of RED ON THE MEDIA. As well as VEGAS motion keys etc.

That is if you apply RED 5 to the media = 0. you must apply it to the track.

RED is very similar to AE and in my opinion is easier to use and even more creative. Just my opinion.

thanks for a superb menu, now i suppose i'll have to order ;-)

There are a number of BCC7 effects/filters not available in Red. Pretty much anything that requires splines, for example (such as warps and morphs). These are available in BCC7 for AE. There's a list of BCC7 filters available for each host application. AE is on the far left, Red on the far right.
Filter List by Host

They're definitely not identical, either, ushere. Boris actually sells combo packs of Red + BCC7 for AE + Final Effects (called the Motion Graphics Pack): Motion Graphics Pack.

I find AE much easier to use, but I'm far more familiar with AE so that is not surprising. There is also just so much more information out there on AE so I've got books I can refer to when I get stuck, whereas I have been struggling to find information on Red.

I have BCC7 and have been quite happy, but then I took a hard look at Red because I wanted to animate my projects with 3D models and titles. During the trial period, I quickly discovered that I could not implement and manipulate 3D models, whatever their source, that I wanted to use. Red just doesn't do that. I extruded some vector graphics from Illustrator, and those were OK so long as I was content with 90-degree extrusions. Then I tried Blue, which gave me this capability to import models along with some more sophisticated extrusion options. OK, it was a little klunky getting there, but I got a passable version of what I was shooting for....mostly on my own steam, i.e., learning the interface on my own and consulting some old videos on Blue from the Boris website.

Here is where I got stuck: Blue was last developed in 2007 and a call to BorisFX elicited a frank admission of no plans whatsoever to update or maintain it. Despite a few excellent tutorials on Red and a manual, help to date mainly consists of the tapioca between my ears and anecdotal input, like on this thread.

Usually when I demo applications, I buy them. Here, I really like Red. But I already have BCC7 and I couldn't get past the limitations of the Blue/Red combo above. AE, in contrast, appears to do what I want and more, has legions of supporters, and has given rise to an astounding body of expert training materials from several sources.

I guess that if I already had Red/Blue, wanted Red's ability to plug into Vegas, and didn't want to spend more money and training time, then I'd find a way to to make them work for me. But here, with fresh options and no investment aside from many hours evaluating the Red and Blue trial versions, I decided to pass. (NB: I'm looking at Cinema4D for modeling, AE for compositing, and Vegas for finishing.)

$0.02,
Steve

Thanks crocdoc, I was referring to RED and BCC7 Application in Vegas as a plug for Vegas, so in this application RED 5 is far more efficient and flexible than BCC7.

Sure some BCC7 filters are designed specifically for AE.

As a Sony Vegas user I would like to stay within Vegas to do a complete sequence with as much flexibility as possible “within Vegas”.
With regard to importing 3d objects Blue is very limited to what you can do with OBJ’s but it’s all you need as a video editor, anything more you are now leaving the workflow of video editing.

Hopefully Boris will make Blue operational inside Vegas like RED.

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