Thx , We are providing veg file with sample video , that sample video track has all the effects (Event FX, Event Pan Crops and Track Motions etc), Our client is going to replace just sample video with his own footage. In this case all the effects are still applied to new footage. How we can avoid client not to modify the effects and also we don't want him to see the Event FX , Event Pan Crops and Track Motions details ..

Thanks
Chethu

can't. Don't give him the veg file if you don't want him to know how. Or charge them more for having the veg file.

I normally give my client the veg file if they want, I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, I was hired to do a specific job. They always come back if they want new stuff done.

We are providing veg file...

Why are you supplying the veggie? I've never heard such a request from a client.

How we can avoid client not to modify the effects...

Like the good friar said, don't given it to them!

Our Business model requires us to share the .Veg file , is it possible to protect using the Scripts ? If yes then how to do that

Thx
Chethu

There is no way to protect/hide what you are doing if you choose to share your veg file with them.

So you are left with two choices: 1. Don't share it. Or 2. Share it and let them see what you are doing.

What I would do is tell them to send you the footage and then you place it on the timeline, render it out as a sample and show them what you can do that way. Of course, if you already told them they can have the veg file, then I would honor my word and learn from my mistake.

j razz

> Our Business model requires us to share the .Veg file

Then your business model is flawed if you are worried that your clients will steal your secrets. There is no way to project the contents of a project file once you give it to them. You need to rethink your business model.

~jr

yeah. Like I said, if they WANT the veg file to do their own work charge them a lot more. Then you're not selling a product, you're selling a system. Similar to purchasing the source code to a piece of software.

Our Business model requires us to share the .Veg file...

Why? You still didn't answer that question. What kind of business model is it? Why is haring veggies with clients necessary? Who are your clients? Other editors?

Why don't you send us the effects you guys custom programmed and we'll see if we can come up with a protection solution.

Ummm, if you guys 'programmed' a new effect, perhaps you could code a way to protect it?

If scripting in Vegas allows for file loading/saving, you could definitely use that to help create protection.

Mike

this could be covered under a license for receiving the veg, but if you didn't say there was a license before then you'd be guilty of bait & switch imho.

But use it as a lesson: next time have a license that give whatever restrictions you want. That's what Sony does when you get Vegas. If they don't like your license they can go work with someone else.

I've had the commute home to think about this. A script basically runs Vegas functions but there are a few compiled scripts out there that you can't easily see the guts of. I suppose one could author a script tool that sets up and runs your filter chain and then wipes out as much of the evidence as it can.

Most likely you'd have to pay someone to do the coding for you. Totally wild guesses here but let's suppose you hired someone to work for you full time to build this. They work 16 weeks for a flat rate of $64,000.00 (assuming 40 hours/week at $100.00/hour).

The other possibility is to pay someone to write a single-purpose filter. Same cost. The colorlab filter is a good example of something that incorporates its own filter chain. Something like that with no settings adjustments would probably do the job.

Rob Mack

seems to me thats why they hired you, to show them how to do it.

Do the project in pro 09 and make sure your client has 08

You are giving away the meat and the veggies very soon you won’t have anything to eat!

In my music projects I always have the client sign over the rights to me. If they want to retain the rights I charge about three times as much.

This is probably much more practical than hiring a programmer to write some custom software...

Rob

They work 16 weeks for a flat rate of $64,000.00 (assuming 40 hours/week at $100.00/hour).

or hire them @ a much cheaper fixed fee. Most programmers aren't worth $260k a year. Heck, programmers who make big selling computer games make a LOT LESS then that and they do much more complex stuff.

"Our Business model requires us to share the .Veg file..."

Some of you asked me why do you want to share the Veg file ,

Basically we will be creating special effects and which can be reusable by the Vegas professionals for commercial purpose.
And collect small fee. That is my idea. Looks like it is not easily possible with Sony Vegas unless Sony is ready to provide it as built in feature in the next version of Sony Vegas.
What do you think ?

Thx
Chethu

I think that is nearly impossible unless Sony has seen your work and decided to contact you concerning the fx chains you make.

You may want to send them to VASST and have them take a look at it as they may want to include it in their Ultimate S Pro program (an extension in Vegas) or JetDV with his Excalibur program (also an extension in Vegas).

However, there are guys who make plugin chains and give them away for free such as JMH Presets

Sony is very picky about what they allow to be placed in their software and rightfully so.

j razz

I must admit I find this a bit of a strange thread.

By definition, giving someone else a veg file means showing them exactly how you put a project together. If you don't want them to know how you did it, don't give them the veg file - it's really as simple as that.

Interestingly, Rory, xfx in this forum, has recently made freely available some extremely impressive veg files using Vegas' 3D Motion functions. If we want to use the benefit of countless hours of Rory's time, all we have to do is add our own footage as takes.

If you really HAVE to share your veg with clients, and this is your way of making a living, make sure you charge them what they're worth.

Peter if I look at what I’ve received freely from this forum from many different individuals
I feel inspired to contribute in some way,

I don’t mind sharing stuff with other video editors and creative people
It’s a different matter with a client, there is no loyalty in the corporate business world, creative people always get screwed

Thanks for the pos feedback

Rory

I've handed out stuff freely too. I've also seriously considered putting together preset packages & selling those. I haven't because of two reasons:
1) make it worth any sort of $$. I've have to do stuff that most people would do in something like AE, etc.
2) Finding the time to invest in it.

But why not include a license? People are going to pirate regardless. Only the honest ones won't.

I'm still at a loss to understand the basic premise here. Are we talking about:

a) Developing new plugins for Vegas.
b) Developing a special Look or result using the existing Vegas plugins.

Kind of regardless expecting to give either to a client and have them apply it to their video and achieve a given outcome seems absurd. The outcome from any FX is dependant on many factors but it'll always depend on vision levels, chroma or motion. The client has to be able to adjust the FXs to achieve the desired outcome, that's the very nature of video and that's before we even consider the creative aspect.
There does seem to some exceptions to this, some of the FXs that some have developed for AE use some bizarre chroma inverse normalize function, I've got a plugin from a developer that does just that for use in with his plugs. That's pretty unusual though.

Someone mentioned the FX chains that come with UltimateS and there's a classic example of what I'm talking about. The audio and video ones can produce truly horrid outcomes depending on what you apply them to.

As far as I'm aware you cannot copyright a look or an outcome and therefore I have no idea how you can grant a licence that'd be worth the paper it was written on. How many freely duplicate the Ken Burns effect, no one held a copyright to 12 bar blues either. There's some exceptions, Geoff Boyle sells custom look files for certain cameras. Even so people buy them to save the time involved in creating their own and the purchaser is freely entitled to modify them. I guess the system works because it's used by professional DoPs and they're a tight knit bunch who don't rip one another off. Even if one of them did good luck anyone proving someone stole a set of numbers.

Bob.