On 12/1/2004 I posted on this forum a detailed user review of the HP L2336 flat panel display. I found the posting by searching the forum using "HP L2335". Bottom line is that I purchased two of these displays and I have been delighted.
For video editing purposes, you might want to check the response time of this monitor. It might be under 16ms (acceptable for video)or -preferably- 12ms so you have no "ghosting" with your previews.
I'm no specialist but I know it for sure.
OnTiger Direct site, you can read: (sorry, it's a long answer but nevertheless informative)
"The Truth About Response Time
In our continuing effort to provide up-to-the-minute information to consumers, our editors wish to shed light on the multitude of numbers (or specifications) that accompany advertisements, brochures, user manuals, etc. regarding LCD monitors. Amid the cacophony of digits large and small appears one expression that is particularly important, but often overlooked. This mysterious number represents image response time and is articulated in terms milliseconds (ms), such as 12ms, 16ms, 24ms and so on. Response time is the screen’s signal reaction speed, or the time it takes for a liquid crystal panel to go from total white to total black and then back again. A 16ms LCD monitor corresponds to 63 images per second, while 12ms is equivalent to 83 images a second.
What Does this All Mean?
Bottom line -quicker response times translate to smoother and more fluid images. So, the next time you notice an advertisement shouting to the world that a specific LCD monitor boasts a lightning quick 24ms response time - which is actually a fairly nice standard - remember that a product that sports a 12ms response provides a major upgrade in image smoothness and fluidity.
In Case You’re Curious - What About the Science?
Broadly speaking, the response times of LCDs are slower than those of CRTs. In the past, the response time of most LCDs was between 20ms and 50ms, and the adverse effects of this relatively long interval could be noticed during playback of DVDs or when playing games that required especially quick scene changes. You would, for example, find that fast-moving objects would cause ghosting, particularly when black objects passed through a bright-colored background. The human eye will perceive a series of sequential images displayed at a frequency of 30Hz (30 images, or frames, per second) as continuous, as is the case with movies (24 frames per second). Screen images displayed at 60Hz will offer even more comfortable viewing, but careful scrutiny will reveal a slight sense of "flickering", as is the case with the NTSC television standard (which displays at 60 frames per second). According to standards set by VESA (Video Electronics Standards Association), the frequency necessary to achieve flicker-free display with a CRT is 72Hz. Most VGA cards and software applications, in order to accommodate the use of CRT monitors, have working frequencies set at 75Hz. In the past, the LCD monitors with 16ms response time that predominated in the market supported frequencies only up to 63Hz (1/0.016), making their display performance inferior to that of CRT monitors. Avid gamers therefore continued to use CRT monitors."
I use the HP L2335 monitors for editng HDR-FX1 footage. The response time of the L2335 is 16 ms, and I have seen absolutely no evidence of any kind of ghosting when playing back hours and hours of HDV footage even of high contrast subjects.
I use the L2335 for both computer monitor work and as a display for HD via component inputs. It's the same display panel as the first generation of23" Apple Cinema Displays.
Its plastic build quality isn't the greatest, but it has more inputs and is more flexible at a cheaper price than any other 1920 by 1200 solution I'm aware of. The vga inputs are not as sharp as the DVI, but the component looks great.
One negative opinion on the L2335. According to HP's own specs page it only runs at 60 Hz at its native resolution, so for some (it bothered me on the few I've seen) there may be noticable flicker which even if it isn't visible (its still there) so it may (did me) give you a headace if you look at it for awhile. While it supports a high resolution, that defeats the purpose if you need to run it at a low 60 Hz and you're going to be staring at it hours on end.
Buyer beware, check it out in person and more than a few minutes to see if you're one of the "unlucky" ones where lower refresh frequences does a number on your eyes.
Are there any 23 in. LCD flat panel displays that display at 1920 X 1200 or higher resoltuion that refresh at their maximum resolution faster than 60 Hz?
It's interesting that this bothers some and not others. I have worked in Photoshop CS and Vegas for hours and hours with these monitors and never even noticed a flicker much less been bothered by it or had a headache. However, since this 60 Hz refresh rate does bother some, then you should certainly see this monitor before purchaisng, which I would regard on an item this expensive as mandatory anyway. In fact, I purchased locally from a dealer who not only offered me a good price but agreed to take the LP 2335's that I purchaed back if I was disatisfied with them for ANY reason. I have heard nothing of HP discontinuing this monitor which they, in fact, do not manufacture themselves.
I'm extremely sensitive to 60 Hz on a CRT, and the LP 2335 gets my eyeballs on it for a minimum of 8 hours a day and I've never even noticed flicker, let alone been bothered by it...
Much of the "talk" about computer related products is very much like listening to car salesmen trying to peddle THEIR make over the other guy's model.
First, I'm not suggesting nobody should buy the L2335, rather that I and others have symptoms when viewing it. I had damage to my optic nerves when I was just four years old and with the Bell's Pasly on top of that my eyes are super sensentive to even the slighest flicker or other disturbances, so I like a higher refresh rate. Best advice, when investing in any expensive equipment you're going to use thousands of hours staring at its screen is check it out in person, and more than for a few minutes.
The other issue is this thread about "ghosting" again is mostly hype. Older LCD's of several years ago had that problem, the newer models don't. Besides, are you aware that the official NTSC specs call for only a 16.7 msec rating, not 12, so a rating of 16 should be fine, again remember marketing hype. Sure a display that has a 12 msec rating is better than one with a 16, but again, you're probably paying for something you don't need.
I have seen prices on the L2335 ranging from $1450 to $2200. HP's online price is $1599, and still people are selling, and I suppose, buying, for more.
Anyone have anything BELOW $1450? NOT refurbished, which seems to be available.
Regardless which make, model you buy, if you purchase online, check first to be sure they are an authorized reseller. Over the last couple years many web "retailers" obtain brand name electronics through back channels. The risk is some major manufacturers won't honor the warranty and you won't find out until you give them the serial number to register and then you're stuck holding the bag. My advice, always confirm anything expensive you're buying is being sold by a "authorized" dealer and not just some fly by night outfit with a fancy web page that's really Joe Blow operating out of his garage.
I looked at it, and if it had had IEEE-1394 inputs, I would have gone for it. As it is, the Pivot ability of the HP L2335 is a winning feature here, albeit not for video, necessarily.
Can someone explain what a monitor would do with 1394 inputs?
I think some of the Apple units have them but as far as I know they just connect to a 1394 hub. At best a minor convenience, at worst another useless extra that you pay for and something else that could fail.
Bob.
I would like to thank all who helped with this. I decided to go ahead and buy the HP L2335, which I finally found for $1359. Boy, prices are all over the map, I even found some for $2300, even though the HP List price is only $1599.
Some Sony HDTVs have firewire inputs, you can connect your camera and it will play on the TV. I know this because I cannot yet afford a HD monitor of any sort and thus went to Sears to view HDV footage on one of their sets.The input worked great and was easy to access as it was located in the front. I don't think I have seen any computer monitors w/ this feature.
Several of the Mitsubishi units have a 1394, as well as the Apple top end Cinema Monitor.
That Apple monitor is similar to the HP L2335 (probably the same screen with different electronics), but is not as well adapted for use with a standard PC.