HTML5 ??

musicvid10 wrote on 3/3/2011, 11:40 AM

I'm sure you mean WebM/VP8 files, which are compatible with HTML5, and the answer is yes, you can create them in Vegas.

Download and install the free VP8 codec from Google, and it shows up in Vegas as an AVI custom renderer.

On my Vegas Pro 8.0c, it renders the files successfully, but Vegas sometimes throws an exception at the end of the render and needs to be restarted. No idea if this is a problem with later version.

That being said, don't be too disappointed if you are slightly underwhelmed by the output quality from the VP8 render.

amendegw wrote on 3/3/2011, 11:43 AM

Read this: http://diveintohtml5.org/ - specifically http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html . Vegas can render h.264 which is playable as a <video> tag in Chrome & Safari. It's a dogs breakfast out there re: video formats (read about it in the linked URL).

HTML5 is supposed to be the future of video delivery on the web, but it's not ready for prime-time - yet. At least there's spotty and inconsistant browser support.

If you have Chrome or Safari, you can view an HTML5 test I put together here: http://www.jazzythedog.com/testing/DNxHD/Mediaplayers.aspx

...Jerry

musicvid10 wrote on 3/3/2011, 11:51 AM

Jerry,
I read a release somewhere on Google that they plan to limit their uploads to VP8 only, presumably sometime this fall (2011).

Of course, that is a perfectly stupid decision, and I hope they get enough backfire to cause them to reconsider. Even when VP8 is ready for primetime, restricting their own pages is not going to make h264 go away.

amendegw wrote on 3/3/2011, 11:53 AM

musicvid, As I understand it WebM is the HTML5 standard which is containerized VP8 video and Vorbis audio. I know you can render VP8 video as well as Vorbis audio (separately) in Vegas. Is there a way you can put them in a WebM container within Vegas?

...Jerry

amendegw wrote on 3/3/2011, 12:08 PM

"I read a release somewhere on Google that they plan to limit their uploads to VP8 only, presumably sometime this fall (2011).Yeah, I heard the same announcement. There was also an announcement indicating that the MPEG Licensing Authority would extend its royalty free period for h.264 indefinitely. Then there was an announcement that maybe that wasn't exactly true. Where this all falls out only God and Al Gore know. Or maybe Steve Jobs will prevail with h.264.

Here's the browser chart from the link I posted above - like I said, "It's a dogs breakfast!"

...Jerry

dvideo2 wrote on 3/3/2011, 12:20 PM

I downloaded the vp8 codec from google but am not seeing
it in my render options.....can i be missing it?
where specifically should i see it?
Thanks again.....

Laurence wrote on 3/3/2011, 12:43 PM

I'm having no luck finding the Google Vp8 codec download. Can anyone post a link?

musicvid10 wrote on 3/3/2011, 1:16 PM

"where specifically should i see it?"

You've got me confused.
Did you not find it where I indicated in my first post,
or did you not read my first post?

dvideo2 wrote on 3/3/2011, 2:28 PM

i didn't see it under avi custom renders.
didn't see it anywhere.
any advice?
thank you

LReavis wrote on 3/3/2011, 3:44 PM

I just downloaded the latest JW Player and put it on my non-profit/personal website, where I can use it for free. It claims that it can be configured to detect the user's requirements, then play Flash version of MP4, or - if HTML5 is require - play that version. It can do this for all .MP4 files, according to claims.

I haven't tested it for HTML5, but I put a few draft versions of my forthcoming work up that I created in Handbrake and it looks OK - for 500 kb/s encodes (you can check them out at www.ToRealize.net). If I can get it to work for those who need HTML5, I'll be especially pleased.

NickHope wrote on 3/18/2011, 5:29 AM

>> Download and install the free VP8 codec from Google, and it shows up in Vegas as an AVI custom renderer. <<

Is this the right thing, or something from here, or something else?

Did anyone manage to get YouTube to download a webm file? There is an html5 opt-in here, but after opt-in they still seem to send only H.264/mp4, even with a video that apparently has a webm encode (

I am keen to see if YouTube's VP8 encodes are any better than their H.264 encodes.

LReavis wrote on 3/18/2011, 2:53 PM

I just installed VP8 codec. It showed up under the .AVIs list in both of my 32-bit versions of Vegas (8c & 9c), but when I tried to use it to render, it crashed 9c (which generally is more stable for rendering than 8c). Doesn't seem to work. Am I missing something?

NickHope wrote on 3/18/2011, 4:00 PM

I got the codec from here in the end. I managed to get a render to complete in 10.0c but the bitrate comes out lower than advertised. I'll try a couple of renders with it tomorrow. mkvtoolnix sounds like it can mux with Vorbis to webm for html5.

Laurence wrote on 3/18/2011, 11:38 PM

It looks like that version won't work on my Windows 7 64bit installation.

LReavis wrote on 3/22/2011, 3:53 PM

I couldn't get the JW Player to properly play Flash videos in my Linux Firefox browser when I tried to provide for HTML5 fallback. (I didn't get around to testing that feature in Win7-64bit or WinXP-32bit browsers.)

However, JW Player now utilizes a new plugin model for that sort of function...or at least that's how I read their release blurb - http://www.longtailvideo.com/players/jw-flv-player/?utm_campaign=March2011-Newsletter-(newsletter-03-2011)&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Player-Download-List&utm_content=download_jw55_img1.

I won't have time to test this soon, but maybe someone else might want to play with it (it sounds promising for those who have a non-commercial website).

NickHope wrote on 3/23/2011, 1:33 AM

I also did a Google VP8 render to an avi file in Vegas yesterday. Anyone know how to demux it so I can remux it to webm? I can't work out how to demux without remuxing to something. I looked at Avidemux and Virtualdub.

amendegw wrote on 3/23/2011, 10:02 AM

Nick,

I've put copies of our "Peacock" video in WebM(vp8) & Theora(ogv) format here: HTML5.zip I used Miro to produce them http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/

I've been fiddling with HTML5 and can only get it to work with Safari & Chrome. I think the problem is that my hosting service (GoDaddy) has its IIS Mime settings screwed up. I'm sure they'll get them fixed when HTML5 becomes more popular. Sigh!!

...Jerry

LReavis wrote on 3/23/2011, 11:51 AM

I, too, use GoDaddy. Maybe that's why I can't get JW Player to show videos (not even with Flash) when I set it up to roll over to HTML5?

Steve Mann wrote on 3/23/2011, 1:03 PM

I think the problem is that my hosting service (GoDaddy) has its IIS Mime settings screwed up.

MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions has nothing to do with HTML.
I have a few test pages on my site, hosted on GoDaddy, and the JW player works just fine.

I haven't tried any <video> experiments yet, but until the players support the same video type in the <video> tag, web sites will have to test for browser and content producers will still have to do multiple encodes.

HTML5 is not expected to be ratified by W3C until 2014.

Steve Mann

amendegw wrote on 3/23/2011, 1:28 PM

"MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions has nothing to do with HTML."Steve, Read this, http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html near the bottom is a section titled "MIME types Rear their Ugly Head"

My problem may not be Mime issues, but they are suspect, see:

http://community.godaddy.com/groups/web-hosting/forum/topic/incorrect-mime-types-on-servers-securitycompatibly-issues/
and,
http://community.godaddy.com/groups/web-hosting/forum/topic/html5/

My problems are with the <video> tag. Here's the URL: http://html5.jazzythedog.com

Here's the {simple} code:

<%@ Page Language="VB" AutoEventWireup="false" CodeFile="Default.aspx.vb" Inherits="_Default" %>



<!DOCTYPE html>

<html>

<head>

    HTML5 Test

</head>

<body>

    <form id="form1" runat="server">

    <div>

        <h1 style="text-align: center">

            HTML5 Testing[/title]

        <video width="640" height="360" autoplay controls loop>

        <source src="Videos/Horse.mp4" type='video/mp4; codecs="avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2"' />

        <source src="Videos/Horse.ogv" type='video/ogg; codecs="theora, vorbis"' />    

        <source src="Videos/Horse.webm" type='video/webm; codecs="vp8, vorbis"' />

    </video>

    </div>

    </form>

</body>

</html>

btw: This forum has a bug in the Code block - the HTML title and h1 tags do not post properly - anyone who knows html should be able to figure out the proper syntax.

Works fine on Chrome, Safari - why not Firefox or IE9? And all three file types play fine locally on my Laptop via WMP. Any ideas?

...Jerry

Steve Mann wrote on 3/23/2011, 2:37 PM

That dinveintohtml5 site has one of the best descriptions of containers and codecs that I've seen in a while.

I tried your test in Firefox 4 and it still didn't work.have you tried the FireFogg ogg encoder? Since it's a plug-in for Firefox you would expect it to be compatible.

Steve Mann

amendegw wrote on 3/23/2011, 2:51 PM

"I tried your test in Firefox 4 and it still didn't work.have you tried the FireFogg ogg encoder? Since it's a plug-in for Firefox you would expect it to be compatible."Yeah, I've tried both the FireFogg & Miro encoders. No Joy!

Steve, feeling ambitious? I zipped up WebM(VP8), Theora(ogv) & h.264(mp4) clips here html5.zip Do you want to give them a try? Maybe I'm doing something stupid (no wise comments!!).

...Jerry

NickHope wrote on 3/24/2011, 12:22 AM

I'm still looking for an avi demuxer, or guidance on how to get Avidemux to demux without subsequently remuxing.

Radio Guy wrote on 3/24/2011, 4:26 AM

NOTE: Jerry your code does not close the H1 tag but instead has a duplicate mismatched title tag where the h1 close tag should be.

Like everyone I've been trying to get HTML 5 video to work and so far it does on IE9, Safari, Chrome, and now with Firefox 4 it works too, didn't in 3.6. I had a hell of a time until I corrected the mime type on the server to recognize ogv extension and also the video tag with the proper control and poster syntax. I am now looking at solutions for flash fall back, in other words a one size fits all and so far the link below has a great free solution that seems to work well.
http://videojs.com/
And here I thought HTML 5 was going to be easy.

Cheers