Humble Bundle: Hitfilm Pro w/Mocha, Ignite, Action, other progrms $30

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fred-w wrote on 12/13/2019, 12:18 PM

There's a TON of fx in Hitfilm, you open in the Vegas timeline, right click on your media event and you will see "Edit in Hitfilm." This is for compositing, color, distorting whatever, plus Mocha for rotoscoping, masking, there is none better...so, you don't use it as a replacement for Vegas, as per a NLE.

After you click 'edit in hitfilm' do some tracking with Mocha, what is the process after that?

Obviously the HitFilm basic version will not have the export options of ofx or standalone.You render from hitfilm and bring back into vegas either the rendered shapes or composite?

I have not worked with Mocha in the Vegas environment, but I have Mocha AE (After Effects), and in that process, you create the masks in Mocha and import them back into AE, then render, it is a bit cumbersome, but works flawlessly if you follow the steps.

In Vegas, I am told it is more direct, you effect the change onto the footage directly, and yes, you render that. It would become, most probably a "take" on the event (one of Vegas' strengths) so you could redo it or go back to orig, etc.

Mocha is a very mature platform, and well respected in the industry, I expect the best here, and they've been a part of Vegas 3rd party offerings for years, so there will be no "gotchas" here.

This hitfilm is not "basic" if that is what you'd be thinking, this is the "pro" version. Mocha Hitfilm would be a cut down version, but, as per the AE version, powerful nonetheless. Moch Pro is about $800

Compare features: https://borisfx.com/products/mocha-pro/#compare

It is possible you can also export spline and tracking information by itself. This is suggested in the list of comparison of features.

 

Ralf wrote on 12/13/2019, 4:42 PM

Thanks OP. :) I was confused at first trying to find Mocha....until I read ALL the words, lol. Hitfilm Pro it is then... I was going to skip this until I realized... Need more sleep here.

VideoMint wrote on 12/13/2019, 5:03 PM

The bundle provides a 12 month license only, see the response on the HitFilm forum in that regard, https://fxhome.com/forum/discussion/51407/hitfilm-pro-in-current-humblebundle-will-it-prolongue-my-existing-subscription

Former user wrote on 12/13/2019, 5:11 PM

Well.. i bought the bundle and i tried encoding for youtube (h.264,12 mbit, rtx2080ti) a one hour video with one audio track in both VP17 and HFP..

HFP ~ 48 minutes

VP17 ~ 25 minutes.

At least i got the Ignite Pro plugins in Vegas..

Straight rendering tests are worthless. Especially when you're just loading video files and rendering them right out to a new video.

I know it's the "go to" for amateurs who only use these software packages skin deep, robbing them of a way to actually compare them... but they're worthless. This is why 85% of comparison videos on YouTube end up with the reviewer over-weighing Rendering Speed, because they don't know how to compare NLEs due to the fact that they don't use them deep enough to know what to look for and how to actually compare them. As a result, they fall back to the same crutch: "Render a file... the numbers don't lie."

  1. These NLEs have different defaults for how they process video data, out of the box, which can affect decode and encode speeds.
  2. You don't even know if the quality of the output files are congruent. If VEGAS Pro renders faster, but has more noise and artifacts in the resulting file... is that rendering speed advantage actually a Win over HitFilm Pro, which renders slow? (This is a scenario in question, not an assertion).
  3. Different applications can perform differently with 3rd party OpenFX plugins, which you almost assuredly did not test, since I doubt you actually redid a 1 hour edit in HitFilm to make it comparable/identical to the same edit in VEGAS Pro.
  4. The quality of built-in effects differ. Some things that HitFilm Pro has that Ignite Pro does not provide to VEGAS Pro may have rough equivalents available in VEGAS Pro, but they may (or may not) be a crude solution that doesn't look as good and may even render faster... but is still lower quality.

Rendering speed is an ignorable metric for basing comparisons on, because it's so irrelevant to actual working professionals who have adequate hardware and are usually using NLEs that can background render, anyways.

If you're on some budget i5 Laptop with Intel Graphics (I'm aware that's not you), then I can see why Rendering Speed would be important... but don't assume that because your scenario values it so highly that it's actually as generally important as you think.

Ignite Pro is nice, but they perform with mediocre performance in 3rd party OpenFX clients and you'll still have to clutter your workflow up with round trips between VEGAS and HitFilm Pro.

This is why so many people have just switched whole sale to Resolve. No software package is perfect, but the benefits of staying on something like Premiere, Final Cut, or even VEGAS "just for editing" was not worth it.

The editing in HitFilm is fine, and the Rendering speed is fine. You're just terrible at testing these things ;-)

Former user wrote on 12/13/2019, 5:16 PM

The bundle provides a 12 month license only, see the response on the HitFilm forum in that regard, https://fxhome.com/forum/discussion/51407/hitfilm-pro-in-current-humblebundle-will-it-prolongue-my-existing-subscription


The bundle provides a perpetual license with 12 months of free updates.

When the 12 months is over, yuou'll have a perpetual license for the latest version available when it expired.

If they released HitFilm Pro 15 in 11 months, you'll have a perpetual license for that version. If 14.5 is the latest version when it expires, you'll have a perpetual license for that version.

The 12 months is for Updates Only. Similar to the MAGIX Update Service for Video Pro X, but better in that the license is for the latest version at conclusion of the update service, not the version available when the service started ;-)

The keys for the HB will not extend an existing update service. It will add a new product to your account, with 12 months of updates. If youre update service is about to lapse, it can have an effect similar to that, but you cannot buy multiple copies of the HB and stack update renewals. The 12 months also starts when you buy the bundle, and there is an expiration date on the keys to prevent exploitation (reselling/eBaying the keys later, etc.).

FXhome did this because only the most ignorant (and, frankly, stupid) of businesses would allow someone to extend their update service for 10 years for the cost of 1 product license - or buy tons of HB licenses to resale for dirt cheap later on, undercutting their business with their own products.

As far as video editing is concerned, this is the best bundle ever seen on Humble Bundle. MAGIX only ever did old versions of VEGAS/ACID/SOUND FORGE that were out of date and unsupported by the time they hit that site; and we know how rough the releases have been...

Them giving a perpetual license with 1 year of updates, and both HitFilm and Ignite Pro (and Action Pro) is amazing.

The only caveat is that they are single machine licenses, but they can easily be moved around at will - hardly more difficult than moving an iLok dongle between machines. The norm is a 3 machine license you'd get if you purchased directly from FXHome…

Former user wrote on 12/13/2019, 6:24 PM


This hitfilm is not "basic" if that is what you'd be thinking, this is the "pro" version. Mocha Hitfilm would be a cut down version, but, as per the AE version, powerful nonetheless. Moch Pro is about $800

Compare features: https://borisfx.com/products/mocha-pro/#compare

It is possible you can also export spline and tracking information by itself. This is suggested in the list of comparison of features.

 

Are you or someone else that's bought it confirm what export abilities Mocha Hitfilm has? I have current trial version of HitFilmPro, but it does not include mocha, you have to pay first. Compare for example to standalone export options. Export to hitfilm pro

I am thinking you have to render fully in hitfilm and there's no ability to export tracking information as that would cannibalise their more expensive products

fred-w wrote on 12/19/2019, 11:46 PM

Answering (finally they got back) the question: is this deal for real? i.e., do you "own" the software, forever, or is this a 12 mo. subscription (as some have suggested on this thread). Short answer: YOU OWN IT, everything except the Film Strip Pro, which explicitly says: this is a one year subscription.