I have NEVER been so angry...

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blink3times wrote on 8/8/2009, 12:05 PM
"I mean how long is a person suppose to wait "

8 wasn't stable until c
7 wasn't stable until d

I'm not sure why 9 would be any different.
Earl_J wrote on 8/8/2009, 12:12 PM
Hello everyone...
for those frustrated at following the latest and greatest software packages; purchasing software add-ins from companies that ultimately go out of business; and complex, steep new learning curves. . .

How about open source?

http://tinyurl.com/33u2of

lists the numerous free video editors available for Linux and Linux-derivative operating systems. . .
Ubuntu comes with Open Office (a Microsoft Office clone) and Gimp (an Adobe Photoshop clone). . . if I can find a Vegas-clone in open source - I'm jumping in - one toe at a time. . . hahahah - I love Vegas and will not give up easily. It'll have to be a very capable, stable, and user-friendly program...

Until that time. . . Earl J.
Marco. wrote on 8/8/2009, 12:22 PM
Didn't test it yet but another way to overcome the problem - at least for those ones who also have Vegas Pro 8 installed - might be making each title in a separate Vegas Pro 8 projekt and then use the V8 projects as the title element by nesting it into Vegas Pro 9.0a.

Marco
fausseplanete wrote on 8/8/2009, 12:43 PM
Ubuntu: Cinelerra. But don't assume perfection...
Sebaz wrote on 8/8/2009, 1:20 PM
8 wasn't stable until c

Well, that speaks volumes of the poor quality of SCS' software, at least when it comes to Vegas, when you have to wait the 3rd or 4th update for a piece of software to be stable.
rmack350 wrote on 8/8/2009, 1:54 PM
Yep. It makes no sense to wait for the third or fourth point release. Not for users, and definitely not for SCS. From a business standpoint I'm sure they couldn't afford it if everyone held their breath for 8 months before buying the new major release of Vegas. That'd be a failed product launch.

I know a few hard core evangelists have said that you "just can't catch all the bugs by doing good Q.A" but this is what Q.A testing is for.

Rob Mack
blink3times wrote on 8/8/2009, 1:59 PM
"Well, that speaks volumes of the poor quality of SCS' software, at least when it comes to Vegas, when you have to wait the 3rd or 4th update for a piece of software to be stable."

Show me another nle that doesn't do this.
CorTed wrote on 8/8/2009, 2:08 PM
"Show me another nle that doesn't do this. "

I really don't care what other nle's do!
I have spent my money on Vegas, and this forum is to discuss that software.
Sebaz is right! I think it is completely wrong to say that it will take 3 or 4 revision points to get it stable, and be fine with that. People pay good money for this nle, and expect it to work when purchasing at rev x.0.
The next thing is for SCS to is JUMP in and get out a fix ASAP, not wait months for 9.0b.

Ted

Ted
rmack350 wrote on 8/8/2009, 2:26 PM
Show me another nle that doesn't do this.

Show me another person who doesn't fart. That doesn't make it proper in the presence of your customers..

Rob Mack
blink3times wrote on 8/8/2009, 2:57 PM
"The next thing is for SCS to is JUMP in and get out a fix ASAP, not wait months for 9.0b."

SCS will do when they're good and ready. Don't like that?....... Tooooo bad.
blink3times wrote on 8/8/2009, 2:59 PM
"Show me another person who doesn't fart. That doesn't make it proper in the presence of your customers.."

Swearing in a church or doing 100 in a 50 zone are also improper.... but then what the heck does this all have to with video editing??
CorTed wrote on 8/8/2009, 3:13 PM
"SCS will do when they're good and ready. Don't like that?....... Tooooo bad."

Bllink, if SCS is not paying you to be on this forum. They should!
kentwolf wrote on 8/8/2009, 3:21 PM
>>...completely wrong to say that it will take 3 or 4 revision points to get it stable...

I am sure SCS would not appreciate if it took 3 or 4 times for them to process a software purchase before they actually received their payment.
apit34356 wrote on 8/8/2009, 3:30 PM
This text error surely must have SCS intention! ;-( Since SCS have it's eyes on BT stations, newsreporting, etc...... they must be concerned! But this problem is an example why many NLEs depend on 3nd party or independent apps for titling. I can see many possible causes for a single media reset but all media text reset implies a global variable pointing to the data table for text media is being zero or over written or "worst". If the keying is gone also, that could imply track motion or the managing of screen display issues, or all the above.................... a lot of possible issues......... which would be better diagnostic on a simulator, if the first "checks" fail to produce results. I think many late nights are in order!

winrockpost wrote on 8/8/2009, 3:32 PM
.......but then what the heck does this all have to with video editing??
about the same vegas 9 has to do with video editing,

and FWIW
vegas ,2,3,4,5,6,7,and 8 were all stable for me without waiting for 2 or three or whatever revisions
Sebaz wrote on 8/8/2009, 3:54 PM
Show me another nle that doesn't do this.

I have used both FCP and Premiere, and while they had some minor bugs, I have never seen the level of instability and half assed work from programmers that I have seen in Vegas. I mean, the other two crashed on me at some point or another, but overall they were stable. Granted, the editing interface in Vegas has some cool things that if I have to edit in FCP or Premiere I would be looking for, so it sucks that Vegas can't be at least as stable as those other two.
Sebaz wrote on 8/8/2009, 4:00 PM
Show me another nle that doesn't do this.

Very well put.

>>...completely wrong to say that it will take 3 or 4 revision points to get it stable...

Also, very well put.

I said it since they released 8.0c and 8.1, SCS has very poor quality control. That they have beta testers is good, but beta testers (correct me if I'm wrong) are not paid staff who can devote all their time to work on testing it. SCS' staff is supposed to test features over and over in different scenarios and systems until it works flawlessly, and only then release the software. But not even they don't do that, they don't even give this update to the beta testers to report on it, they just throw it out there and whatever happens, happens. It just shows very low respect for their customers, but also for a software that has the potential to be excellent and speed up the editing workflow. i said it before, they should sell Vegas to a company that cares about it.
blink3times wrote on 8/8/2009, 5:15 PM
"I have never seen the level of instability and half assed work from programmers that I have seen in Vegas. "

So why are you here banging your head against a wall??? If you get a head ache..... it's nobody's fault but yours.
blink3times wrote on 8/8/2009, 5:18 PM
"I said it since they released 8.0c and 8.1, SCS has very poor quality control."

Regardless to what you say on this board... or feel, SCS is in the drivers seat and it will continue to be that way until such time as you disappear into the world of FCP. So you go right ahead with your silly little rants..... I know I'll see you standing in line for Vegas 10. What's more is that SCS knows it too :)
Sebaz wrote on 8/8/2009, 5:48 PM
"I have never seen the level of instability and half assed work from programmers that I have seen in Vegas. "

Because it pisses me off to no end to see what could potentially be a great software being harmed by its own programmers. It's like they wanted Vegas to fail.

I know I'll see you standing in line for Vegas 10. What's more is that SCS knows it too :)

I might download the trial for V10 when it comes out just as I did with 9, and 9.0a. If they release a decent product, I'll buy it. If not, I will not, just as I didn't buy 9 and I won't unless they take it to a decent level of performance.
jazzmaster wrote on 8/8/2009, 7:39 PM
The best thing to do is not buy Vegas 10. That will send the strongest economic message of all. It's very simple. If a product doesn't deliver, don't buy the next one.
Burt
blink3times wrote on 8/8/2009, 8:04 PM
"The best thing to do is not buy Vegas 10. "

Right... then we can all be like Sebaz... not own it and whine anyway.
Sebaz wrote on 8/8/2009, 8:07 PM
Right... then we can all be like Sebaz... not own it and whine anyway.

Not owing it doesn't mean I haven't tried it, and also doesn't mean that I haven't read the dozens of posts since 9 came out stating what a gigantic catastrophe it is.
Cliff Etzel wrote on 8/8/2009, 8:12 PM
Given the nature of this bug - would the best workaround be to create titles in Photoshop as 24 bit PNG's with transparency and just leave the titler alone until SCS figures this issue out?

Cliff Etzel
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