I have tried Premiere CS4, and can tell you...

megabit wrote on 12/5/2008, 4:57 AM

... that our old, good Vegas is just a better, more flexible system.

Yes, the main problem is that timeline playback is not using any GPU hardware acceleration. But believe me, at least with ATI card, it's still more fluent than that of Premiere.

OK, Premiere can use the nVidia cards GPU - but just go to their users' forum, and you will see how it (doesn't) work.

Vegas rulez !

:)

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ushere wrote on 12/6/2008, 7:24 PM

hi jm,

interesting figures, but then again, what were some very serious bugs, flaws, whathaveyou, seemed to have been iorned out, so not so much noise...

i agree entirely with most comments re, being left behind, no interest shown, but there was not so long ago a post from sony with a 'test' mpeg.dll, which cured some serous problems at the time...

i'm also not sure what exactly what we all want at the end of the day - a cutting edge nle or a highly reliable one. i think the two are mutually exclusive. like you (jm), i'm really too old to think about looking at another nle (having used all the alternatives a few years back). fcp is about the only nle that i haven't used extensively, but since it's mac it would mean a whole new, and relatively expensive system - something that's also a pita. also, from what i've read, it too has its problems.

in all honesty, for what i do nowadays v8 works well, though if i thought what i was looking for a few years ago (ps integration, hardware rendering, media management, etc.,), then i'm not too sure i'd be so happy.

at least sony is still supporting vegas, no matter that some of us think otherwise, i mean just think if you'd invested time and energy in one of the many nle's that dropped out of the race completely...

ah, for the days when i bought something that worked perfectly out of the box for as long as i owned it.... (er, well, come to think of it....)

leslie

Sebaz wrote on 12/7/2008, 12:58 PM

I don't know what's the deal with Sony, but I think it's obvious that they are either severely understaffed, or they just don't care to put a good working product out there. In many ways Vegas makes working on the timeline a snap compared to FCP and Premiere, but that is obscured by the unreliable behavior when working with AVCHD.

And while some bugs may be hard to reproduce others are not, for example that in Vegas 8.1, if you do a pre-render using a module where the frame
dimension is different from the project's, the project dimensions are going to change to those of the pre-render module that you used. Or the fact that 50% of the times I open 8.1 it says that it cannot find the source files for my project, so I have to close it, re-open it and then it finds them just fine. Or the fact that if you go to Burn Blu-Ray disc and you navigate to some folder of your choosing after clicking the browse button it will not reflect that choice in the path field.

All of this is beyond negligent, and it makes Vegas look worse than a bundled toy NLE, something that was done in a rush, not paying attention, and without quality control.

LarryP wrote on 12/7/2008, 3:20 PM

Could be:

* Change in number Vegas buyers
* Segmentation caused by more Vegas Movie Studio users
* Search is faster than it used to be and therefore more effective
* Majority of users are experiencing fewer problems
* More lurkers
* Traffic in other Vegas forums

Larry

ReneH wrote on 12/7/2008, 3:42 PM

..and because I'm happy with Vegas, no problems here!

If I have a question it would be completely off topic, and for that I go to other forums. Frankly, I don't have anything to post regarding Vegas, and that's not being negative.

Go over to the Adobe forums and most of the posts are bug or anger related threads.