Hi Grazie,

Please tell us your findings. Since AVCHD is new as I am to NLE-ing. I am very interested what you have found out and look forward to some tips from the prefessionals who have been in the business as long as you have.

I could upload some clips to you if you want.

Craig

Please tell us your findings.Yeah, Grazie, I'm still waiting for your thoughts. Did you find AVCHD pretty much as simple to edit as HDV, or was it -- to use a phrase that was briefly popular here in the 1980s -- a "pig on a leash."

Thanks to everybody who donated some footage. Thank you.

I am now headlong into a piece of work that is taking my time for the next week or so. I'll see after that. In taking time out, I WILL be reading and posting here - I hope that this acceptable?

Suffice it to say, I am at the point where it looks as if I need to research some form of proxy work for the ACVHD.

So "Yeah" John, there you have it, so far. And what is meant by a "pig on a leash"?

Grazie

And what is meant by a "pig on a leash"?It is a phrase not used much anymore, but was supposed to refer to a really ugly pet, and therefore, by inference, anything that was inferior, bad, pathetic, etc. Problem is, most people find pigs cute, especially the small ones people keep for pets, so the saying really doesn't make much sense. What little sense it ever initially might had had came from the slang use of "pig" as a pejorative to mean ugly or fat or glutton.

. and in the context of me asking for AVCHD clips, means?

. and in the context of me asking for AVCHD clips, means? You are pulling my leg, right?

My statement to you two posts up was: "Did you find AVCHD pretty much as simple to edit as HDV, or was it -- to use a phrase that was briefly popular here in the 1980s -- a 'pig on a leash.' "

So, the question then was -- and still is -- did you find editing AVCHD as simple as HDV, or was it difficult, slow, bad, terrible, pathetic, ugly, awful, disgusting, nasty, horrible, etc. ?

Grazie, I'm certain that John meant that AVCHD as a format is ugly, fat and a glutton :-)

Mike

I will always ask for clarification. I HAVE been known to get the "wrong end of the stick".

And to FURTHER answer my mate John's enquiry, I haven't spent much time fiddling with them - yet.

Grazie

OK Grazie, times up.

Show us what you got!

"OK Grazie, times up. Show us what you got!"

Well now, I don't have a device that creates AVCHD, so that side of capturing is an unknown to me. Having had a paying job, using 8b, recently "signed-off" and invoiced I was a bit leery to update Vegas to 8c. I have recently installed 8c and hoping that that will make a difference to AVCHD. I'll see.

But you are right, I need to spend more time with the clips I have been sent using 8c.

As to "showing" I can only write up an opinion - is that ok with you - LightAds?

My apologies for being tardy.

Grazie

Hey Grazie,

Since you've been in the business a long time your opinion is valuable to us. I have read many of you posts and have learnt a lot.

I was just reading that AVCHD works twice as hard as MPEG2 that's why some rigs are choking on it. I am happy with the quality that AVCHD offers from my tiny Canon HF10.

Thanks for the "plaudits" but I really REALLY don't deserve them. There are friends here who have forgotten MORE than I will ever learn or experience.

Next time just send money (lol!)

Grazie

Well, I just ordered the new Panasonic HMC150. It should be here tomorrow (Tuesday). This is a three chipper that can shoot AVCHD at up to 21mbs. The cam has gotten good reviews but editing this stuff is a valid concern. I downloaded a 720 60p clip and rendered it to 720 24p WMV. On my old and slow Pentium 4 3.0 ghz, 2 gb ram, it took 3:47 to render the 16 sec clip with Vegas 8.0c. Previews on the timeline were choppy. The end result though was beautiful slow motion video.

My next move will be to get a really fast quad, but I think it will still be quite sluggish when compositing multiple AVCHD tracks.

You can check out and/or download HMC150 clips at
Vimeo HMC150 Group.

Jerry

Those two clips (combined on the timeline) render up nicely at 25Mbps into a 113MB m2t file, lol. It only takes about a minute or so to render with my quad core, but man is the result huge--you can only get about 22 minutes of footage on one DVD at that resolution.

Out of curiosity, what do you guys set in the Custom > Video section for the bit rate when rendering AVCHD? And are you using constant or variable rate?

After watching Gary's DVD on rendering, I suppose a person could just render with a constant rate of about 8Mbps; at least I think that's the rate he mentioned. Is it common to downrender 25Mbps footage like this to 8-10Mbps or something like that, just to get more footage on a DVD? How good is too good when you are rendering to MPEG-2?

Thanks.

TB

You have to ask the question: What is the end media format going to be?

Is it for the web or Blu-ray or DVD player or just MPEG2 on my PC?

In the near future HDV will be the norm so keep you HD footage at the highest quality. Use the different templates for your output to whatever it's going to be.

Thanks for the response. I am learning more & more all the time, and understand what you are saying. Now it's just to learn what the different templates are, and which won't work for what I am trying to do!

But, it's all a matter of learning one thing at a time. Gary's videos are very helpful, and of course the forum is invaluable as well.

TB

If you really want to learn about HD go get "The HD Survival Handbook" by Philip Hodgetts released at the beginning of this year.
It explains the difference between MPEG2/4, WMV, AVCHD, MOV.... Download the PDF and print it out.

You need to read it because the answer to your question about templates is so long that it's difficult to answer in 1 paragraph.
I Hope this helps.