Independent Film edited in Vegas...

xjerx wrote on 2/8/2010, 8:16 AM

Shot this through 2009 with my church and old high school. (my mom's the principal).

I wrote, DP'd, directed, produced, edited...and pretty much everything else. All the actors were volunteer and none had ever acted before. We had a budget of...oh yeah...we didn't. :o)

Was shot on my RED. Edited R3D files natively on the timeline. Worked pretty flawlessly. My computer is a 5 year or so old BOXX with dual 3.2 Xeons...2 GB RAM. I was only able to view it in real time in preview mode, which was a SD resolution. Overall I was happy with the RED+VEGAS experience. There's obviously some tweaking to be done, but even so it allowed me to get my job done. Thanks Vegas! (now lets work on some redrocket support!)

Check out the trailer. (Although, its not really a trailer in the normal since but its close enough. ....Also, also, its a faith based film, so if you have problems with Jesus watch at your own risk.)

http://masqueradethemovie.com/MEDIA.html

Thanks

Jeremiah

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TLF wrote on 2/9/2010, 12:32 PM

You're right. There is no comparison to Vegas...

I love this sort of statement. It's like a government saying We had no choice.

Any two items can be compared, and there is ALWAYS a choice. ;-)

DV-AVI is a format Vegas has no problem with.

Editguy43 wrote on 2/9/2010, 3:02 PM

Ya Reds are not cheap and your rig looks very robust $$$$

will you adopt me :-)))

mtntvguy wrote on 2/9/2010, 3:19 PM

It won't win any Academy Awards, but this feature film (16mm) was edited in Vegas...

Marc S wrote on 2/9/2010, 4:14 PM

Nice work!

mtntvguy wrote on 2/10/2010, 6:24 PM

Thank you. It wasn't easy... a crew of drunks from L.A., lead actor had a stroke 21 days into the 28 day shooting schedule, malfeasant kid killed the main goose in the film, and more.

The only thing that was bad about doing it in Vegas was I couldn't generate an EDL, which cost me some overseas distribution. I did it in V5, by the way.

deusx wrote on 2/10/2010, 8:39 PM

Those AVID quotes above are complete bullshit and paid for advertising by AVID.

Anything more complex was done with compositing sofware like Fusion and 3D was done in 3D apps and fusion as well , so AVID was used only for cutting, you could run 100+ tracks in Vegas or AVID or any decent NLE like that. AVID is not using any effects or even color correction, it's just playing back tracks.

http://www.eyeonline.com/Web/EyeonWeb/default.aspx

PerroneFord wrote on 2/10/2010, 8:43 PM

What are you talking about? No one said that the Avid system did anything but editing. I don't understand your point.

deusx wrote on 2/10/2010, 8:46 PM

The point is that you could run as many tracks as needed like that and there is nothing impressive about those ( misleading ) quotes. I ran about 30 tracks of audio and a few video tracks just 2 days ago ( in Vegas ) without hickups. Not only that but you can build the entire multitrack soundtrack in Vegas under your video timeline, something you can't do in AVID or FCP and have to waste money and time going to pro tools if using those.

PerroneFord wrote on 2/10/2010, 9:07 PM

Thirty tracks huh. That's impressive. What kind of video was on the timeline. That seems like an awful lot of layering to be playing at once.

And it's true. You certainly can do some great audio stuff in Vegas. But woe unto you if you ever need to get it OUT of Vegas! :)

farss wrote on 2/10/2010, 11:43 PM

I've been trying to run a project with one track of DV (reference locked vision with burnt in T/C) and around 20 tracks of audio. Man that used to be a dream back in V6 but V8 or V9 are a bear. V9 likes to crash unless I set sync offset to zero frames which is unacceptable when cutting and mixing audio.

Going back to V8 I have an even worse problem, one that was acknowledged and never resolved. The sync between external preview and audio drifts as I playback. Hit Stop and Play again and it's OK for a little while and then it drifts again.

In the past I haven't had too bad a time with V8 or V9, probably because I only edit live shows so the total number of events on the T/L is relatively small. Now I have hundeds if not thousands, many of the audio events are only a few frames long. This seems to be dramatically slowing Vegas down. Navigating the T/L is real bear as it's full of events, fade, pan and gain envelopes. There no FXs anywhere, just vanilla audio and even so I've had times when the audio drops out. Not good at all.

I could go back to V6 however the director is now talking about me doing the equivalent of an online myself and I'll need my fastest machine etc.

I have to say the temptation to go down the Avid / Protools or Nuendo path is certainly there. I'm an old dog in no hurry to learn new tricks but I'm also trying to keep some of my hair. At least with Protools and Avid I could do some work on the project and bounce it back to others if had to. As it stands with Vegas it's pretty much I do it all or none. If I stumble all the work I've done is for nothing.

Bob.

ChristoC wrote on 2/11/2010, 12:04 AM

Back to the original topic:

xjerx, I'm not religious at all (I live next to a church, but I've never been in there.... that's as close as I can get to religion of any kind ), but your trailer was great and made me WANT to see the film. If that's what you can do with 'amateurs', I'd love to see what you can do with professionals....

deusx wrote on 2/11/2010, 2:13 AM

>>>Thirty tracks huh. That's impressive. What kind of video was on the timeline. <<<

Video was HDV from Canon Hv20. I don't think 30 tracks is really a big deal especially since I use almost no effects ( use hardware for all that )

I get 2ms latency at 24/96 with RME fireface 800, this is a 2.2 ghz core2duo Sager laptop. No junk installed on it, runs flawlessly, always has.

TLF wrote on 2/11/2010, 5:11 AM

Out of interest, I reinstalled Vegas 6 (the first version I used), and I was delighted to see it could handle HDV reasonably well.

However, the preview - Preview (auto) - looked terrible compared with Vegas 9; it was blocky and very low resolution. If I had two identical tracks one offset by two frames, with the upper track set to 50% transparency, then the preview fell to 5 fps.

Vegas 9 had virtually no problems - the preview flitted between 20 and 25 fps.

As for audio work, I rarely use more than 5 audio tracks, but I've found no problem with Vegas 9 even when there are loads of effects added.

And performance has been excellent with 6 hours of HDV on the time line, titles, some colour correction, velocity envelopes and audio time stretching.

Renders have been fine, too. No out of memory errors.

The occasional 20 to 30 second freeze, but that tends only to happen when I change focus from Vegas, then return focus. I put it down to the length of my projects - there are of lot of clips to go off-line then bring back on-line.