Thanks @Marco.

Regarding Vegas Effects, does it have the same limitations of integration as just having Vegas Pro Edit and Hitfilm on the same machine? I have recently been seeing that splash screen that Magix keeps sending every now and then regarding upgrading to Vegas Effects for a low price. I'm wondering if it is worth it if there are some things you can do with Vegas Effects vs Vegas Pro + Hitfilm.

"Regarding Vegas Effects, does it have the same limitations of integration as just having Vegas Pro Edit and Hitfilm on the same machine?"

Yes, in this regards it's the same.

'm wondering if it is worth it if there are some things you can do with Vegas Effects vs Vegas Pro + Hitfilm.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-effects--129758/#ca806534 In addition, you should compare the price.

Re the difference between Vegas Effects and HitFilm Pro, have a look at this recent post re that very subject:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/what-is-vegas-effects-exactly--130035/#ca808717

In one of the later comments in that thread, I've linked to a couple of YT tutorials from a year or so ago re using Vegas Effects.

 I'm wondering if it is worth it if there are some things you can do with Vegas Effects vs Vegas Pro + Hitfilm.

IMO, the options that you would get with Vegas Pro + HitFilm Pro are significantly greater than you would get from Vegas Pro + Vegas Effects - but then it all depends on your needs. This is particularly so if you would want to have access to HitFilm Pro's Mocha planar tracking or Foundry tracking (the latter of which I haven't used), neither of which come with Vegas Effects.

Another consideration is that Vegas Effects only allows for one video event from Vegas Pro at a time. From the YT videos, it would not seem that you can use Vegas Effects as a standalone to separately edit a project as you can in HitFilm Pro.

Thanks @Dexcon @lan-mLMC.

Definitely much food for thought. I already have Hitfilm 15 and Vegas Pro Edit 18, and am intending to stick with this combo. The last thing I want to do is to spend more money on software just because it is branded differently lol!!!

Cheers guys :)

 

fects vs Vegas Pro + Hitfilm.

IMO, the options that you would get with Vegas Pro + HitFilm Pro are significantly greater than you would get from Vegas Pro + Vegas Effects - but then it all depends on your needs. This is particularly so if you would want to have access to HitFilm Pro's Mocha planar tracking or Foundry tracking (the latter of which I haven't used), neither of which come with Vegas Effects.

Another consideration is that Vegas Effects only allows for one video event from Vegas Pro at a time. From the YT videos, it would not seem that you can use Vegas Effects as a standalone to separately edit a project as you can in HitFilm Pro.

^This

When I was trying to figure out the differences I installed Hitfilm Express (Free) with the demo of VP18 suite. The integration with Vegas aspects are the same. They all show up as menu items within Vegas once any of them are installed on your system.

I would rank them as such as far as features.

1. Hitfilm Pro

2. Vegas Effects

3. Hitfilm Express

So the price and features of Vegas Effects are somewhere between Hitfilm Pro and Hitfilm Express. The uncertainty I have at this time is if Vegas Effects supports OFX plugins. I didn't have any installed on my system at the time I was evaluating the demo. My speculation at this time is that it doesn't but unlike the FXHome products there's really not a feature comparison available like there is for HitFilm Pro vs Hitfilm Express. FXHome seems to be much more on the ball with transparency of what their products actually include and don't.

If you're asking yourself the question if Vegas Effects will do everything you would like to do, you may as well go ahead and install Hitfilm Express and ask the same question since the price of admission to find out is "Free". It also provides the insight of what to expect from Hitfilm Pro in regards to Vegas integration.

My summary take away when evaluating the VP18 suite demo was that Vegas Effects included more FXs in it from FXhome than Hitfilm Express but didn't seem to include the more advanced 3D animation stuff which is in Hitfilm Pro. It essentially seemed alot like HFE, but with a majority of the optional add-ons you can purchase for HFE.

So you could look at things that Vegas Effects is a lower cost option to Hitfilm Pro, but I'm currently looking at it that it's a more expensive option than Hitfilm Express without the flexibility to purchase the add-ons you may actually use since it didn't have much more than the Express version that I was able to identify. The price differences between HFP, VE, and HFE seems to mirror my thoughts.

Some folks do their math differently when stating you're essentially getting Hitfilm Pro at a reduced price. That is just not true. The way I did my math was that VP18 Edit can be purchased for $100. The price of Vegas Post Suite is $350. Therefore you're paying $250 for Vegas Effects and Vegas Image. Vegas Effects includes more built-in FXs than Hitfilm Express. With that $250 difference, I'm pretty certain I could max out my purchase options of FX add-ons inside of HF Express and have a product which has more features than Vegas Effects when all is said and done.

I have HFP16 and it supports OFX Boris, Sapphire, NBFX, and most other OFX plugins I have for VP, and it includes Ignite Pro and other toolsets that someone might need. I also have Ignite Pro 5 for VP.

HF Express doesn't support OFX plugins. I do not know if Vegas Effects support OFX either, but since it is supported in Vegas Pro, I can not think of Vegas Post as being a limitation since I would have access to the plugins thru VP. So it comes down to the cost of HFP and VP Edit, or Vegas Post.

Everyone's editing needs are different. It's a tough decision.... but for editing, Vegas all the way for me.

Of course, It is sure that Vegas Effects supports almost OFX totally. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/bcc-2021-v14-0-1-for-ofx-now-can-function-normally-in-vegas-effects--126020/

Actually Vegas Effects possesses the 95% features of Hitfilm, the eliminated features cut off are only the Editor and the 3-rd party features. All features and technologies from FXHome itself are ported to Vegas Effects without reservation. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-effects--129758/#ca806534

One thing to consider, though. Even if Vegas Effects supports OFX in generall this does not automatically mean every OFX would work in Vegas Effects (same is for Vegas Pro and other applications, of course). There are certain properties of OFX plug-ins which need to be adapted to work with particular software. So if a OFX developer doesn't ensure the plug-in to be compatible with Vegas Effects it may not work.

Edit:
I just checked. The 3rd-party OFX plug-ins I have installed for Vegas Pro (DFT, Graide/SeMW, Neat Video, ProDAD, NB ColorFast) do not appear in Vegas Effects. Not sure which of them appear in HitFilm Pro.

If you import a HitFilm Pro project file into Vegas Pro, it will be processed just like a regular video clip. You can't edit its 3D properties in Vegas Pro, you'd need to go back to HitFilm Pro then save the file again and it will be automatically updated in Vegas Pro.

@Marco.:

Is that to say that Vegas Pro + Vegas Effects has no greater level of integration than Vegas Pro + HitFilm Pro? Since, as you say, round-tripping (actually, just one-way-tripping), Vegas Pro will automatically update any changes to the one-way-tripped HitFilm Pro changes. Do I have this about right? Thanks!

Not sure which of them appear in HitFilm Pro.

BCC, Mocha Pro and NBFX TotalFX (including Color Fast 2) do appear in the latest build of HitFilm Pro. The OFX version of Neat Video needs to be purchased separately in order to work in HitFilm Pro (at more than 3 times the purchase price as applies for the Vegas Pro version). From ProDad's website, it does not seem that ProDad's products have HitFilm Pro compatibility.

I could check now. SeMW Auto Levels, NB ColorFast and DFT are available in HitFilm Pro but not in Vegas Effects.
So from what I see on my system, no 3rd party OFX is availabe in Vegas Effects. Maybe they really need a unique adaption for Vegas Effects.

Is that to say that Vegas Pro + Vegas Effects has no greater level of integration than Vegas Pro + HitFilm Pro? Since, as you say, round-tripping (actually, just one-way-tripping), Vegas Pro will automatically update any changes to the one-way-tripped HitFilm Pro changes. Do I have this about right? Thanks!

You can send media from Vegas Pro to HitFilm via the Video Event context menu.

You can send media from Vegas Pro to Vegas Effects via the Video Event context menu and via a video event button.

The way back from HitFilm Pro or Vegas Effects to Vegas Pro is the same for both. You save the HitFilm/Vegas Effects project and the take in the Vegas Pro event will be automatically updated.

I checked the OFX integration in Vegas Effects another time on a different system. Here all of my OFX which are available in HitFilm seem to be available in Vegas Effects, too. It seems like the demo version of Vegas Effects blocks reading the 3rd party OFX.

I checked the OFX integration in Vegas Effects another time on a different system. Here all of my OFX which are available in HitFilm seem to be available in Vegas Effects, too. It seems like the demo version of Vegas Effects blocks reading the 3rd party OFX.

Just as we might expect.

I have Hitfilm Pro, and the integration/symbiosis with these two programs goes back at least a few years, based on the Vegas literature. Rebranded as Vegas Effects.

Works the same as HFP,

For those not aquainted, HFP is basically an After Effects type suite of tools that is well integrated with Vegas, (any event can be opened in HF/Vegas Effects).

Downside? Slow to open, as you're opening a large program, not just one effect, and in certain cases, HFP will open up a link in your default browser window, but you can (and should, I'd say) switch that off.

Free version? Any good? Yes, more limited, as you'd expect, but you can BUY the particular tool that you'd need if it goes beyond the included list. Great idea, actually, you only pay for what you'd need, especially if you might not use HFP all that much or for limited tasks.

I alerted the community last year to the Humble Bundle HFP special, about $40, as I recall, I think there were just a few takers from this board. That was the FULL program, so maybe keep an eye out. HFP does come with Mocha for HF, and It's about what you'd get with the AE included version. Really good, though Mocha full version is outta this world, (pricey though).

VE or Hitfilm, both are winners. It's a GREAT addition to the Vegas editing experience. Let's just work on the PLAYBACK.FPS speed......Magix!! Are you listening?

 

I checked the OFX integration in Vegas Effects another time on a different system. Here all of my OFX which are available in HitFilm seem to be available in Vegas Effects, too. It seems like the demo version of Vegas Effects blocks reading the 3rd party OFX.

Thank you Marco. This makes more sense to my observations. I didn't have 3rd party OFX installed when I tried out VP18 suite demo but now that I think about it more I believe Vegas comes with OFX plugins installed and didn't see those show as well in Vegas Effects. I later purchased NewBlue TotalFX OFX plugins. Would like to be able to use those in Vegas Effects or HF Pro in future to do an open outside of Vegas and process in Vegas Effects since my system isn't very strong to be running multiple video FXs in real-time inside of my Vegas projects. It opens the ability to do offline processing while still having access to the NewBlue OFX plugs.

Thanks for confirming. OFX is available in Vegas Effects.

I have a few NBFX in Vegas that show up in HFP.