yeah, it's not too tough to vote, close your browser, then vote again. it's pretty obvious who is doing that.

A similar post to this one went up on more than one of the many NewTek VT forums. The numbers of folks with the NT VT is significant. The forums are also helpful on the craft of videography and animation aswell as the NLE/switcher functions.

NewTek take the word REALTIME slightly more seriously than Sonic Foundry. However the price you pay includes needing a higher minimum spec PC, not being DV output oriented (acq, device control and multiple DV sources on the input bus' is however fantastic) and predominantly being a standard def solution.

Vegas4 is remarkable technology with an excellent product scope. NewTek's VT is generally regarded as being overkill for DV source work. However unlike the other semi pro offerings (DPS/Leitch Velocity, Matrox DigiSuite, Pinnacle Targa 3000) - it covers the support of multiple input formats like Vegas does. You just drop them in quite arbitrarily. The compositor (AuraVT2.5) the 3D (Full LightWave 3D 7.5) and the I/O parts of VT are value enough. SDI video-only-I/O option, SX8 multi-input switcher (where not using multiple DV), and RS-8 (USB T-bar and switcher aid) make the solution quite unique. Especially for a growing videographer looking for alternative angles on productivity or other forms of event income.

I wouldn't expect the figures to be far off being representative. Perhaps Vegas users should represent themselves more as a result of this thread. Vegas users could get the figures up even higher ALSO by not artificially influencing the stats.

The competition are probably too pompous to submit once they see that the powerful "toys" have proud vocal customers behind them (often who migrated from stodgy competitive products).

Don't take this post wrong. Some VT folks I've spoken too have added Vegas+DVDA to their studios. "The best tools for the right job" being the ethos. A Vegas user could grow into a VT user. Newtek does have tangible advantages on many of the creative perspectives. It should be purchased responsibly, unlike Vegas which fits the pocket and needs of a greater audience.

With the vote you don't know how many people use the package because it came bundled with a hardware cad eigther. Premiere comes bundled with almost all PC video hardware, and when we got it at work we didn't bother getting anything else. Didn't matter if something was better, we just stuck with what was given to us.

Final Cut Pro 11.20%
Vegas 11.14%

1822 votes

We are closing the gap. How about a few more votes for Vegas to move us into 3rd place behind Toaster and P****** and ahead of Avid and FCP.

I went with Avid (but am still interested in Vegas!) but I have seen the Video Toaster PC stuff and it sells itself as "a TV studio in a box". It seems to answer directly the question of "can this NLE do that?" that I have had to ask of every NLE software out there. It is very hard choosing between any of these products, at least for me.

Making progress. Vegas passeed FCP. Still amazed at the number of Toaster users.

After 1910 votes:

NewTek Toaster: 41.10%
Adobe Premiere: 18.27%
Vegas: 12.20%
Final Cut Pro: 10.79%
Avid: 4.50%
Pinnacle: 4.08%
Ulead Media Studio Pro: 3.77%
Other: 2.72%
Media 100: 1.05%
DPS Velocity: 0.84%
Sony Xpri: 0.37%
Quantel: 0.31%

The Toaster users I know are a shady bunch of people, I'm sure there are a few Toaster users that have been voting more than once. I still have a Toaster 2 system sitting under my desk, It's been there ever since I got my Vegas 4 system up and running. Vegas is by far better (if you don't mind a little rendering).

We are still in third place but only trail Adobe P****** by about 80 votes. Now I know that Vegas people are more honorable than those Toaster guys but it would be very satisfying to at least pass P****** wouldn't it? So what we need are a few more votes.

Go to http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/
and scroll down a bit.

The question: What non-linear editor do you use?

Current tally after 2134 votes:

NewTek Toaster: 39.78%
Adobe Premiere: 17.99%
Vegas: 13.87%
Final Cut Pro: 11.01%
Avid: 4.36%
Pinnacle: 4.22%
Ulead Media Studio Pro: 3.56%
Other: 2.67%
Media 100: 1.08%
DPS Velocity: 0.80%
Quantel: 0.33%
Sony Xpri: 0.33%

Veni. Vidi. Voti.

Or maybe

Veni, Vidi, Scisco

(sorry, I've long forgoten how to congugate verbs...)

Larry

Or maybe
Or
Veni, Vidi, Voti, Earlie, Ofteni

You have to understand the context of the question. I use Vegas to do pro work for certain jobs and often don't need anything else. However, I need to keep a positive cash flow here in my little production company and so I have a very expensive VT setup. I can do a commercial with realtime switching or how to videos and half the editing is done realtime as the talent is performing.

What I'd like to know really, is how many people are making money with the product of choice? I'm fairly certain that all VT users are making money and that is not the case with Vegas?