Is there a canonical prores thread?

michael-harrison wrote on 4/21/2021, 8:54 AM

I've been trying to use it more and more and also re-optimizing my laptop setup for 18.

For the most part I've had no problems with prores proxy but today decided to created 1920x1080 versions from 4k source, using shutter decoder, to hopefully speed up preview playback and found that VP displays them like this

 

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

Comments

Marco. wrote on 4/21/2021, 9:16 AM

Are your graphic drivers up-to-date?

Could you share a sample ProRes clip?

Maybe the files aren't encoded properly. It is unlikely Shutter Decoder uses the official and standardized ProRes codec as this is bound to pay a license fee to Apple. But I'll also try with another FFmpeg based tool and report back.

Marco. wrote on 4/21/2021, 9:25 AM

Just tested with a ProRes clip created by myFFmpeg. It is ProRes HQ 422 1920x1080p25 with 5.1 PCM audio. It works fine in Vegas Pro 18 (no Quicktime installed). It's decoded via the s4compoundplug.dll.

michael-harrison wrote on 4/21/2021, 9:26 AM

@Marco.

Here's the mediainfo for the two versions. I'm uploading a small-ish file now.

The intel and nvidia drivers were updated to the latest yesterday.

full-res

General
Complete name                            : D:\Vegas Projects (d)\Back 40 Cleanup\Proxy_full\GX010450.mov
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   0000.02 (qt  )
File size                                : 1.65 GiB
Duration                                 : 7 s 725 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 1 836 Mb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf58.77.100Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : ProRes
Format version                           : Version 0
Format profile                           : 422
Codec ID                                 : apcn
Duration                                 : 7 s 725 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 1 835 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 3.691
Stream size                              : 1.65 GiB (100%)
Title                                    : GoPro H.265
Writing library                          : Apple
Language                                 : English
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : sowt
Duration                                 : 7 s 723 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 1.41 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : GoPro AAC  
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1Other
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 7 s 725 ms
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 15:17:46:42
Time code, striped                       : Yes
Title                                    : GoPro H.265
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No

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General
Complete name                            : D:\Vegas Projects (d)\Back 40 Cleanup\Proxy\GX010450.mov
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   0000.02 (qt  )
File size                                : 559 MiB
Duration                                 : 7 s 725 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 607 Mb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf58.77.100Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : ProRes
Format version                           : Version 0
Format profile                           : 422
Codec ID                                 : apcn
Duration                                 : 7 s 725 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 606 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 4.874
Stream size                              : 558 MiB (100%)
Writing library                          : Apple
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : sowt
Duration                                 : 7 s 723 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 1.41 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : GoPro AAC  
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1Other
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 7 s 725 ms
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 15:17:46:42
Time code, striped                       : Yes
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No

 

Last changed by michael-harrison on 4/21/2021, 9:29 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

michael-harrison wrote on 4/21/2021, 9:42 AM

@Marco. Here's the file... https://drive.google.com/file/d/152S5HQlQqvf5MIOdAFrGOmSyA-92LbdN/view?usp=sharing

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

Marco. wrote on 4/21/2021, 9:50 AM

This clip works fine on my system.

If not already done, could you test selecting the Intel GPU both for GPU acceleration in Options/Preferences/Video and Intel also to be used as hardware decoder in Options/Preferences/File I/0, restart Vegas Pro and try again?

JN- wrote on 4/21/2021, 10:05 AM

@michael-harrison I found no issues playing the test sample of Prores 422 in VP18. Heres a link to my util for using ffmpeg to convert to Prores, has quality setting to adjust as needed. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/058xwg4zny94c3x/AACM42n7oi2ItEDi6IiyntTna?dl=0

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

michael-harrison wrote on 4/21/2021, 10:06 AM

@Marco. I've played around with the reader settings and now I can't get the file to fail. All the settings are back where they were when I started and the video looks fine. haven't rebooted. Not sure now what I need to change to get it to fail.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

harry-worth wrote on 4/21/2021, 11:43 AM

The sample of the download plays fine on my system which is nothing that special. ( V18 - 482 )

michael-harrison wrote on 4/21/2021, 12:04 PM

@JN- @harry-worth yeah, it's still working on mine too.

The only thing I can think is that Vegas got confused when I moved the files out of the way so I could point it at the new proxies. Oddly, the errant behavior kept appearing through two vegas restarts.

I'm going to try to repeat the proxy moves once I get to a stopping point in my current edits.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram