Is there a quicker way to make subclips of a large audio file?

musman wrote on 9/9/2004, 12:22 AM
My workflow is majorly dragging here as I try to break into into individual takes a whole DAT tape's worth of VO work. I have already captured the tape and was wondering if there a faster way than:
1- Making a region for the take and naming it
2- Copying and pasting the take to a new project and saving from there.
This requires a whole lot of copying and pasting of names and is very slow. But I found if I selected a region and tried to save from there that the whole DAT tape's worth of stuff is saved. Render is greyed out.
I'm still trying to get a handle on Vegas and SF's Media management and not really sure where to go from here. In a perfect world, there would be a way to get SF to automatically render at each region and name each resultant clip what the region was called. I doubt that's possible, but if there's a better way to do this than what I've been doing, then I would really appreciate the assistance.
Thanks ahead of time for any help!

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Spot|DSE wrote on 9/9/2004, 12:31 AM
If I know I'm gonna be subclipping a long capture, usually from an analog to dig source, I do it all in the Trimmer rather than on the timeline. Open in Trimmer, make selections, right click and say "CreateSubclip" or press the subclip button in the upper right ofthe Trimmer. I fyou let them auto-name, you can drag them up in order as one grab from the Media Pool, and you're good to go.
musman wrote on 9/9/2004, 12:32 AM
I meant to post this in the SF forum. But I'm thinking now that I thought I heard about a veg file that would render each region like this- but don't remember anything about using the region name as the title.
Am I crazy, or does something like that exist?
musman wrote on 9/9/2004, 12:43 AM
You know, it's been just over 1 year now and I've yet to us e the trimmer. Actually, I've never really understood how to use it and it confused me when I tried.
But for me the big thing is the naming of the sub clips. I like to go through the material and name each clip then describe it in some way- for example what parts of it work, what don't, what to compare it to, etc. After I take the time to do that, keeping the name is pretty important.
That's actually my complaint about making sub clips in Vegas 5. When I go through the material and break it into the bits that make sense to me I like to rename each clip. I find it very helpful when looking back on a project and when looking for a particular take as a quick reference. But, I can't have it appear in the media pool under that name or the explorer without rendering and making sure to use the same name, or making a subclip and remaning that sub clip as I go along. Both take a long time.
Is there a way to do things faster like this, or should I be looking to change the way I edit?
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/9/2004, 12:45 AM
If you create subclips in the Trimmer, you can name the subclip anything you wish.
musman wrote on 9/9/2004, 1:08 AM
You mentioned them earlier. This is a major small thing for me! Just found out I can open the file I made in Sound forge in the trimmer and it has the regions and the their names still there. The really great thing is yes, it will first suggest the name of the region when I try to make it a sub clip. WONDERFUL!! Now if only it would make all the regions sub clips like this all at once I'd be in heaven.
Project is now on hold until I go back over the dvds and the your book to learn more about the trimmer. Guess this is another strong reason why people like to have 2 monitors. Trimmer takes up space.
THANKS, SPOT!!
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/9/2004, 1:19 AM
Glad to be of some help.
Trimmer in 5 is pretty powerful. I never used to use it at all.
But have started using it more. Plus I'm capturing a lot of analog/Betacam lately, so it's quite useful.
musman wrote on 9/9/2004, 4:00 AM
Weird, just made a few regions on the same audio file that I had brought over from SF and when opened it in the trimmer the regions were shown. Guess the workflow is make regions in SF then bring it over to Vegas's trimmer. Wonder why it works that way. Is there a way around it?
Thanks again!
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/9/2004, 6:10 AM
You can turn off markers and regions being saved with the file in the Prefs>Options>General
Arks wrote on 9/9/2004, 6:29 AM
The trimmer is my friend for cutting up and dividing complete tapes of captured footage. To make the subclip process even faster; you can map a key to the "make subclip command" in the trimmer. I made mine the key "C" while I am in the trimmer. My work flow goes as follows:

Place 1 hour clip into trimmer. start watching from the begining.
when I locate a clip I want to make into a subclip, I press "I" for the inpoint, then watch till I want to press "O" for the outpoint, then I press "C" to create the subclip and name it accordingly. Works great for me. Its fabulous that we can all have different work flows in Vegas (or any NLE for that matter). Oh, BTW, great FASST DVD Spot; learned alot of the new functions very well from it ;)

Brian
jetdv wrote on 9/9/2004, 6:42 AM
Tsunami will take all the areas you have created as regions and create subclips from those regions with the NAME of those regions.
Arks wrote on 9/9/2004, 7:23 AM
Is this different than whats listed on the tsunami website? I read that you can extract good clips, but only to different tracks on the timeline. Did you implement a create subclip function in the program now? That would be nice.

b
jetdv wrote on 9/9/2004, 7:27 AM
Yes, the Vegas 5 version will create sub-clips for all the pieces it moves to the new track. It still moves them to the new track, it's just that those pieces are now sub-clips.
rcampbel wrote on 9/9/2004, 8:24 AM
The Capture Cutter script will render all of your regions as new files with the region name as the file name. It can be found at:

http://www.peachrock.com/software/veggie-toolkit.html

Randall
SonyEPM wrote on 9/9/2004, 9:01 AM
If you open the long file(s) in Sound Forge, you can make regions of the good takes, trim out unwanted stuff, and when you hit save the original source file is overwritten- no more extraneous material, smaller file. This is a key difference between Vegas and Forge- Vegas is non-destructive, Forge is destructive.

Once the DAT original file is region-ed, trimmed up and saved in Forge, you can open that file in the Vegas trimmer and all your regions are exposed for timeline editing. If you need to do any heavy processing across all the DAT audio (Noise reduction, RMS normalize or whatever) you typically will want to do that in Forge as well.
musman wrote on 9/9/2004, 2:35 PM
Dyslexia Boy/ Sleep Deprevation Boy meant to say:

"Weird, just made a few regions on the same audio file that I had brought over from SF and when opened it in the trimmer the regions were NOT shown."

Sorry about that. I've been functioning on the odd nap here and there and haven't actually gone to bed all week.
Anyway, working in Vegas if I make the regions and name them then open the file in the trimmer the regions are not shown. Looked in the preferences but I didn't see anything to make this happen. Did I miss something?
Thak you all for your help. Absolutely right- there are a number of ways to work with Vegas and we're really lucky to have them.
DouglasClark wrote on 9/10/2004, 2:19 AM
It is important to distinguish which type of region you are talking about: 1) regions defined on the Vegas timeline, with R key, that are saved in the VEG file, or 2) regions defined in Sound Forge or Trimmer (also with R key) that are saved in the WAV/AVI media file.

The regions made in 2) Sound Forge or Trimmer appear as little region markers embedded in an event's waveform display on the Vegas timeline, and are saved to the WAV/AVI file if you use Save Markers/Regions or Auto Save Trimmer Markers/Regions (right click in Trimmer).

As far as I know, regions defined in Sound Forge or Trimmer cannot be turned into Vegas timeline regions, and Vegas timeline regions cannot be turned into WAV regions. Am I right, anybody?

In Vegas 5b help: Trimmer Window, Adding markers or regions, it says "Trimmer markers and regions function identically to timeline markers and regions." But this does not appear to be true, at least as they appear on the Vegas timeline. You cannot double-click on an internal WAV region on an audio event on the Vegas timeline to time-select that region. The cursor does snap to those cute little internal markers, however.

The description of Capture Cutter on the Veggie Toolkit website doesn't make this clear, either. It appears that Capture Cutter works on Vegas Timeline regions, and not on regions set in Trimmer or Sound Forge.

Please straighten me out, if I'm wrong about this....
Douglas
rcampbel wrote on 9/10/2004, 5:47 AM
The Vegas scripting API (which Capture Cutter uses) only exposes the regions that are made on the Vegas timeline. Any region information made in the trimmer and saved with the media are not exposed, therefore there is nothing that we can do with them in a script. And as you have stated, very little that you can do with them in Vegas either other than see them.

The reason that I suggested Capture Cutter, it that it appeared from the original post that the user was placing media on the Vegas timeline and creating Vegas timeline regions.

Randall