Is this a daft idea? Drafting work in MPEG1?

Grazie wrote on 9/11/2003, 4:21 PM

For those who are RAM Challeneged or MotherBoard-Challenged - myself in this catergory - would it make sense to do stuff in MPEG - yes lower quality - but would it render and behave faster than AVI? THEN when all is completed do a File Replace option and swing back in the original AVI? - Is this daft?

Grazie

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Jsnkc wrote on 9/11/2003, 4:29 PM

Actually editing with MPEG is going to be a lot slower since it is already a compressed format. Without going into all the technical deatils about I, P and B frames, basically editing with Uncompressed files is the best way to go, MPEG will be a lot slower.

Chienworks wrote on 9/11/2003, 6:31 PM

If you wanna work fast and light, try something like this: render out your source files to uncompressed .avi with the same name, but at a 164x120 frame size, 8 bit color, 15 frames per second (NTSC) or 180x144, 8 bit color, 12.5fps (PAL). These files will be about 1/96 the size of full uncompressed and about 1/12 the size of DV .avi files. Put these files in a new directory, rename the original directory to something else, then rename the new directory to the original name. Since they're uncompressed they'll fly very fast and not take up much resources. The resolution and frame rate is good enough to make most edit decisions. Then when you've got your edit near complete switch back to the full size files by renaming the directories back.

Grazie wrote on 9/12/2003, 12:46 AM

Thanks Kelly - Excellent! - Y'know, my "still" novice approach to this NLE stuff stems from an exsisting major lack of knowledge of the fundamentals of pc-NLE technology. Often I feel and know this hobbles me . .. I'll just keep on displaying this within this forum and other places . . no worries . . as long as I'm getting my filmic output, I should worry - yeah?

Still in love with this art form,

Grazie

TorS wrote on 9/12/2003, 1:40 AM

A daft idea? More like a draft idea, I'd say...

When I bought my first IEEE 1394 card it came bundled with a video editor (which was called the same as my excellent but oh so old sound card). One neat thing about that editor was that you could capture video in draft mode, edit and then let the editor recapture only the used bits in full DV from the original tape, thus creating a final AVI ready for further rendering or to transfer back to DV tape.
Since I already had Vegas, I never used the other thing. Plus all my original takes does not usually come from the same tape.

I'd like to know if Kelly's idea works for you (because it sounds good technically), and for how long you have the patience to go about it that way (because it sounds a bit cumbersome).

OT:
Grazie, I'm sure you didn't notice, but nearly a week just went by without me posting here. That was because my internet PC went down. Mainboard collapsed completely. I cried all the way to the bank. This could have killed my London trip in November, but the ticket is already bought and paid for.

Tor

Grazie wrote on 9/12/2003, 1:58 AM

Yeah! Here come the Vikings! - Good to see you've got your priorities correct.

On the the Kelly "Thang" . . Yes I'll give it a go - and yes it does seem a wee bit cumbersome. I'm still putting "off" that major new pc/XP upgraded 3.2 Ghtz box. Income's have been a bit thin on the ground PLUS a major motor car maintenance bill. Uggh! Soooo.... I'm just looking for ways to "squeazing" out a bit more from my laptop & MAXTOR drive setup . . . . I'm now getting close to realising that something of a better real time preview is reeeeally what I need. I don't need to do many complicated FXs, just need to see what I've done through a looping session in V4 . . yeah?

November isn't it?

Grazie

TorS wrote on 9/12/2003, 2:21 AM

November indeed. Last wekend of it.
Chelsea/Sloane Square/Knightsbridge/South Kens is where I'll be. Are you far from there?
Tor

Grazie wrote on 9/12/2003, 2:32 AM

"Chelsea/Sloane Square/Knightsbridge/South Kens " - Bit Rich! Bit Posh? - Good pub on Sloane square, well it was about 10 years ago! But going down Kings Road - comes off Sloane Square - there is a whole traunch of pubs, not the least the Chelsea Potter! - You're in the land of Fullers Beers. Excellent London Pride and the like. Good Beer! - Just the way I like it . . Is it near to me? Not a problem. Buses and Tubes everywhere. I aint gonna drive! - Ho! We could take a bit of time out and travel down to the South Bank and visit the "shrine" of all things Film - The National Film Theatre . .oh yes it has a bar too! Well it would . .wouldn't it!! - This has "choice" bottled Chezck original Budwiesser . . . AND good grub too!

CHEERS!

Grazie

TorS wrote on 9/12/2003, 4:11 AM

Where do you expect Vikings to set up camp? Brixton? Golders Green?
By the way, if I wanted Chzecko beer, I'd camp on the banks of the Donau.

Lets do the nft.

Tor

Grazie wrote on 9/12/2003, 5:42 AM

So what's wrong with,"Brixton? Golders Green?" - plenty of invaders there Pal! And we get along very well, thank you very much!!!!

NFT it is then. You'll even see The Kinks "Waterloo Sunset" - if we get there ealy enough - Winter and all. Sun sets early - but I guess you knew that - hah haha . . . .

HOooooo might even pursade some of our London Vegas Users to make an appearance too? - C'Mon guys, I need immoral, amoral or even morale support . . .

Grazie

PeterWright wrote on 9/12/2003, 7:01 AM

I hope you have a camera or two around, to get footage for
"The Invasion of The Viking from Vegas"

Waterloo Sunset ay? Brings a lump to the throat. (swallow swallow).

You're on for a similar assignation next time I'm over there Grazie.(maybe in a year or so)

Peter

Grazie wrote on 9/12/2003, 9:27 AM

A YEAR!!? A whole YEAR!?!?! - A man could die of thirst!!!! - - Be good to see yah!

Grazie

Erk wrote on 9/12/2003, 11:31 AM

"Waterloo Sunset" - love that tune, all the Kinks stuff from that era.

G