Issue with 2D tiny planet-styled video rendered on VP19

bryan-quarrie wrote on 11/29/2021, 11:19 AM

Hello all,

I’m having some weird pixellation issues when rendering the above. It’s like as if the resultant video looks like a stretched 720p video, complete with really jaggy-looking pixels.

(To give some context, I am mixing 360-degree and normal 4K footage on the same timeline as part of a multicamera live concert recording. This has 2 cameras: Cam A (main camera) recording the stage from the back of the hall, and Cam B (360 camera) for cutaways featuring multiple angles using the Tiny Planet plug-in)

On VP18, there was a way around that problem and it involved placing the Tiny Planet plugin before the Pan/Crop block on the Cam B video clip. The render would look just as I wanted (the source clip was 5760 x 2180 pixels, the final render was 1080p and still looked good).

On VP19, I tried the same method and ended up with a screen consisting of vertical lines. However, when I placed the Tiny Planet plugin AFTER the Pan/Crop block on the Cam B clip, the video looks normal until you render the clip.

The resultant render looks awful with those large jaggy pixels - As if a proxy video was rendered as a final file or something.

(Sorry I havent got pics to show as I’m out and about at the moment).

Any ideas? Thanks 🙂

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john_dennis wrote on 11/29/2021, 12:35 PM

@bryan-quarrie

When you return, please post render settings.

bryan-quarrie wrote on 11/29/2021, 12:58 PM

Hi @john_dennis

I render with the Magix AVC/AAC MP4 codec, Internet HD 1080p 29.97fps (AMD VCE).

Machine specs (just in case):

Ryzen 9 3900 12-core CPU

Radeon 580x GPU with 8GB VRAM

64GB RAM

Windows 10.

The video was rendered to an external USB drive.

bryan-quarrie wrote on 11/29/2021, 12:59 PM

BTW How did you render that clip? Looks really good.

john_dennis wrote on 11/29/2021, 1:55 PM

@bryan-quarrie

Here are the settings that I used ...

bryan-quarrie wrote on 11/29/2021, 2:02 PM

@john_dennis Thanks for that - It seems like you used the same settings as myself.

How about regarding the clip itself? In which order did you place the Tiny Planet plugin on the clip?

Tiny Planet before Pan/Crop, or Pan/Crop before Tiny Planet?

john_dennis wrote on 11/29/2021, 2:37 PM

@bryan-quarrie

Vegas 19-424 Pan/Crop then Tiny Planet.

bryan-quarrie wrote on 11/29/2021, 4:20 PM

Ok here are some screen grabs from some test rendered clips:

1) This is the way it looks rendered from VP18, with the Tinyplanet plug in placed before Pan/Crop. This is the way it should look.

2) This is how it looks rendered from VP19 using the same placement. Very weird indeed!!

3) Finally this is what it looks rendered from V19 but with the Tinyplanet plugin placed AFTER Pan/Crop. It looks ugly - The pixellation is really horrible. What makes this particularly embarrassing is that I shot the clip with an 8K 360 camera!!

The latest builds were used on each version of Vegas Pro.

Any other ideas is much appreciated :)

Vegas_Sebastian wrote on 12/2/2021, 2:08 AM

@bryan-quarrie Confirmed. Some thing is weird when put before Pan/Crop or applied as Media-FX.

There will be a fix in the next update.

VEGASPascal wrote on 12/2/2021, 1:32 PM

@bryan-quarrie

The "Pan/Crop" effect is changing your input resolution to the project (rendering) resolution. The Tiny Planet Effect is a spherical zoom.

Before "Pan/Crop": 4K input -> strong Zoom with Tiny Planet -> rendering with 2K ("Pan/Crop")

After "Pan/Crop": 4K input -> changing resolution to project settings (2K) with "Pan/Crop" -> strong Zoom with Tiny Planet

set wrote on 12/20/2021, 3:35 PM

With the new b458 released, you can now apply Tiny Planet OFX before Pan/Crop Chain. In Pan/Crop chain itself, right click on F-Box to set to output aspect ratio.

The Scene Rotation ofx can also be added before Tiny Planet OFX so you have a -180 to +180 degree of Axis, instead with Tiny Planet from 0-360 for Longitude (cannot go minus)

My experiment (using Insta360 One X2):

bryan-quarrie wrote on 12/21/2021, 12:16 AM

Thanks all. :D

That's a great video @set :)

Here is part of the concert I recorded with the 360 cutaway shots in action :)

(I only had time to use 2 cameras: Sony AX700 (main) and Qoocam 8K (cutaways))

bryan-quarrie wrote on 12/21/2021, 1:29 AM

The Scene Rotation ofx can also be added before Tiny Planet OFX so you have a -180 to +180 degree of Axis, instead with Tiny Planet from 0-360 for Longitude (cannot go minus)

This is interesting as well 😀. Does that mean you could use this on proper VR180 footage as well? I’ve heard that such footage yields a higher pixel quality than 360 as the pixels are more denser due to the reduced field-of-view 🙂

set wrote on 12/21/2021, 2:31 AM

This is interesting as well 😀. Does that mean you could use this on proper VR180 footage as well? I’ve heard that such footage yields a higher pixel quality than 360 as the pixels are more denser due to the reduced field-of-view 🙂

just use 'one side' of the camera right?

hmmm, not sure... haven't tested it...

Here is part of the concert I recorded with the 360 cutaway shots in action :)

(I only had time to use 2 cameras: Sony AX700 (main) and Qoocam 8K (cutaways))

Thanks for sharing 😊.

Good mix... that's what I intend to do as well with the 360 camera... I have done one interesting mix of concert / show performance as well - but haven't been able to share it.

My other video shot only with Insta360:

bryan-quarrie wrote on 12/21/2021, 6:52 AM

just use 'one side' of the camera right?

hmmm, not sure... haven't tested it..

No there are 180 degree cameras on the market. They use dual lenses but are at the front only.

I tried doing a single lens shot with a 360 but the image quality is worse.