Presumably your last version was building a video proxy, based on your description.

Is your new version building a video proxy when you introduce your beefy GoPro clips? You will know from the progress bar on the lower left.

Yeah, it still has the same video proxy from last time. The machine doesn't even need it as it runs smoothly without them; I had to use a video proxy before to get around the bug with the Nvidia encoder that was fixed in this release.

It can run the video without issue, hover over it and move the curser, but it just can't move the edges of the video clip (Edit length / start or stop of clip)

 

I did notice that all edits seemed a little laggier with this update as for editing with outside playback being better. I seem to notice now that all the media seems slightly laggy, whereas the 5.3 media is majority laggy.

Please screenshot of Options/preferences/File I/O

Please screenshot of Options/preferences/File I/O

Here you go

Disable legacy AVC decoding.

Disable legacy AVC decoding.

Okay, trying. Prior to the this release, we had to enable this to make the software stable.

I'm definitely seeing the same thing -- laggy, including while scrubbing through the timeline or trimming clips on the timeline. Gopro 5k but via Vegas proxies. Legacy AVC not enabled. Big difference from the previous build, which was very smooth including playing 5k source in best.

Disable legacy AVC decoding.

might have helped slightly, but still lagging . Thanks for the advise.

Any other ideas?

Disable legacy AVC decoding.

Okay, trying. Prior to the this release, we had to enable this to make the software stable.

Non-legacy AVC decoding in this release means you are using mxcompound, the new plugin that it quite fast with NVIDIA decoding.

If you check it you are actually using so4compound, which is how 208 worked when legacy AVC was unchecked. There's no direct way to go back to compoundplug which is what 208 did when you checked legacy AVC.

Next question is exactly what is this footage? GoPro has a number of formats. Is it AVC or HEVC?
Please use MediaInfo to answer. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

@joshua-noesser @RogerS Hi, GoPro 11 only creates HEVC files,

Yes, 4K and 5.3K in GoPro 11 is HEVC only (most unfortunately) so its unlikely that the legacy AVC setting will have any effect. Instead, try checking the experimental HEVC decoding setting in File I/O and see if that helps.

Thanks for clarifying, I've only worked with older GoPros.

FWIW, experimental HEVC decoding is so4compound, which can actually be fast with some HEVC types and at least Intel iGPUs.

@RogerS Hi, this is a GoPro 5.3 HEVC 16,9 10bit.MP4 if you want it, I created this just for this post, I don't use 10bit so can't really comment, this plays ok & can be moved, trimmed etc. no prob. Add an fx or two & it slows crossfades but just playing the clip with/without an fx reaches 59.94fps without prob.

PS. I have Auto Proxies turned Off, Legacy AVC & experimental HEVC is also OFF

Thanks Gid, with similar settings on my laptop (GTX 1050) your media is not so editable at best/full but is mostly full framerate at preview/auto. I don't see particular problems.

I'll test with my desktop (RTX 2080) later.

The more I test with it I notice the problem is there for everything. But the larger the format the more noticeable it is.

PS - I can hear the hard drives working that store the files, which wasn't the case before. I can't tell what they are doing but almost sounds like when they populate thumbnails. Does anyone know how to turn off where it constantly creates new thumbnails?

PS - I can hear the hard drives working that store the files,

@joshua-noesser What drives are your files on, are they external hardrives?

The more I test with it I notice the problem is there for everything. But the larger the format the more noticeable it is.

PS - I can hear the hard drives working that store the files, which wasn't the case before. I can't tell what they are doing but almost sounds like when they populate thumbnails. Does anyone know how to turn off where it constantly creates new thumbnails?

@joshua-noesser You've been asked already...please, please, please post a MediaInfo readout off the media. Otherwise, we are just throwing darts with a blindfold on as we try to help you.

PS - I can hear the hard drives working that store the files,

@joshua-noesser What drives are your files on, are they external hardrives?

4 - Internal 20TB 3.5" HDD in Raid 5

The more I test with it I notice the problem is there for everything. But the larger the format the more noticeable it is.

PS - I can hear the hard drives working that store the files, which wasn't the case before. I can't tell what they are doing but almost sounds like when they populate thumbnails. Does anyone know how to turn off where it constantly creates new thumbnails?

@joshua-noesser You've been asked already...please, please, please post a MediaInfo readout off the media. Otherwise, we are just throwing darts with a blindfold on as we try to help you.

Sorry, I thought someone else answered the question above. Where do I get this from? But this is happening with all media sources. It is just less noticeable with smaller formats but it is definitely there.

I am including below one of the media files (Its small) from the GoPro. If you want one from the GH6 that is running 4k 60fps, 10-bit let me know.

@joshua-noesser HDD are slow, put a few files on your main (C) & see what happens, how do hey play,? I know you said 'Didn't do this on the last build' 👍

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MediaInfo -

The App is called MediaInfo, download it, it's free & a fast download with no added adverts or any of that rubbish. https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo
After downloading, right click on the media file in your Windows folder, open MediaInfo, choose Text from the options at the top, copy & paste the information in a new comment on here 👍 or enlarge the MediaInfo window so it incs audio & screenshot a pic like you did above.

Like this

@joshua-noesser HDD are slow, put a few files on your main (C) & see what happens, how do hey play,? I know you said 'Didn't do this on the last build' 👍

 

These HDD have a throughput of over 400 Mbps with very low latency, so should be more than quick enough.

Okay, I put it on the M2 (C Drive). As far as results, it is exactly the same. I can scroll over the clip (Dragging the cursor) or hit play and it shows the video smooth and great, but if I try to edit the length of the clip, gets laggy while doing that.

I haven't tired to add any FX yet, so not sure if that will compound the issue or not.

FYI - I tried it with a proxy.



Thanks for the help with media info. Going to paste in the next post.

The more I test with it I notice the problem is there for everything. But the larger the format the more noticeable it is.

PS - I can hear the hard drives working that store the files, which wasn't the case before. I can't tell what they are doing but almost sounds like when they populate thumbnails. Does anyone know how to turn off where it constantly creates new thumbnails?

@joshua-noesser You've been asked already...please, please, please post a MediaInfo readout off the media. Otherwise, we are just throwing darts with a blindfold on as we try to help you.

Here you go - But this is happening with all media sources. It is just less noticeable with smaller formats, but it is definitely there.

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