Nope--it doesn't exist in version 5.0--just tried it--First of all, scrubbing essentially means moving back and forth without restraint on the timeline---You could do this in version 4.0 while depressing the control key---You can do this in version 5.0 without depressing the control key and it is a heck of a lot more responsive--I think our disagreement is semantical .

If you make a complex compositing hierarchy using the (dare I say nested) compositing feature - you can end up with 50 tracks in no time. But if you have the track window scrolled so you can see a particular child track in the header section, the parent motion button for that child will be visible no matter if its parent is on the same screen - or if the parent is 36 tracks off the top of the screen. Fantastic.

I really want to know where the Vegas interface developers get their crack. Now THAT's a nice @#!$@!%# touch!

rex-
The main difference is that for audio use, scrubbing has to play back audio, or there's really no point! :) The waveform is actually often sufficient for visual positioning for an edit (or rough edit at least), combined with zooming in on the timeline a little.

For video peeps, you need scrubbing to show all of the video frames inbetween the event thumbnails to have any hope of precise edits. Audio playback isn't needed in this case.

So yeah, both methods are scrubbing. Both are useful. Hooray!

re. response time, that's one great advantage of the new 'non-audio' scrubbing. With audio scrubbing, performance can actually be improved if you are using ASIO drivers for your sound card, as these have smaller buffers and thus more 'instant' playback of sounds.

Wait until you try scrubbing with the Mackie control!

Peter

>Nope--it doesn't exist in version 5.0--just tried it

Rex, CTRL+DRAG scubbing hasn't gone anywhere. Make sure you didn't turn it off in your preferences.

The help is clear on this topic. The only difference between V4 and V5 regarding what you call (but Sony doesn't) "scrubbing", is now you can drag the cursor without making a time selection. That's it. A welcome, but minute change. But that's what we love.. the little things.

"Select this check box if you want to be able to drag the cursor to change its position on the timeline and in the Trimmer window.

Of course he was talking about the "drag the edit cursor feature". That's the only new feature on these lines, aside from control surfaces of course. RexT has been pottering around the Vegas Video forums for as long as I can remember and I think it's pretty unlikely he'd not know about all the previous scrubbing options.

As far as assessing the "drag the edit cursor feature", I'd say its a pretty good start and a welcome addition. A feature that some would have liked is a handle at the top of the cursor that you have to use to move it. The reason is that without a handle the cursor moves to any spot you click on. Takes a while to train yourself out of touching things. With a handle you have to explicitly grab it to move the cursor. It would really ease the learning curve and reduce the initial frustration the stock hair-trigger cursor causes users migrating from other NLEs. And that's part of the game-make it easy to migrate to Vegas.

Rob Mack

One nice thing about any new version is that it makes you look closely again as well as reading another manual. I guess there's always a little more here than I can absorb right away.

Rob Mack

Yep, This new feature sure is nice. A new way to scroll around on the timeline. Of course you don't get to scrub the sound this way but it's a great way to scrub though the video.

Yes siree. It's a nice new way of doing it. A great addition to what was available before.

Yep.

Rob Mack

Ah. That's better than the second click (to me). Otherwise it seemed a little squirelly

Sure wish it had an optional handle at the top of it.

Rob Mack

Yes, it IS good.

I love you Guys - honestly! I was feeling down in the dumps this morning .. .came here and read this "discussion" and you've cheered - me up no end! Thank you .. .

Perhaps THIS is another project for the SoCal Vegas User group . . .I feel a tiny itsybitsy 3 meg downloadable streaming thingy coming on . . any takers?

.. .Hey good tips for early and later adopters . . . well done and not with a "little" respect to each other too!

Keep it up . . .

Grazie

Little clip of friendly banter over coffee?

Or mental mud wrestling?

Or a vegas thread done like Monty Python's "Argument"?

"Argument? Oh, no. This is Abuse! Arguments are in 3C down the hall."

Rob Mack

From http://www.duke.edu/~pms5/humor/argument.html

The Cast (in order of appearance.)

M= Man looking for an argument
R= Receptionist
Q= Abuser
A= Arguer
C= Complainer
H= Head Hitter




M: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.
R: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?
M: No, I haven't, this is my first time.
R: I see. Well, do you want to have just one argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
M: Well, what is the cost?
R: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
M: Well, I think it would be best if I perhaps started off with just the one and then see how it goes.
R: Fine. Well, I'll see who's free at the moment.



Pause

R: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory.
Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
M: Thank you.

(Walks down the hall. Opens door.)

Q: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
M: Well, I was told outside that...
Q: Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M: What?
Q: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q: Not at all.
M: Thank You. (Under his breath) Stupid git!!

(Walk down the corridor)

M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A: Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.

(short pause)

A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.

Pause

A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right. (pays money)
A: Thank you.

short pause

M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up. (Walks down the stairs. Opens door.)



M: I want to complain.
C: You want to complain! Look at these shoes. I've only had them three weeks and the heels are worn right through.
M: No, I want to complain about...
C: If you complain nothing happens, you might as well not bother.
M: Oh!
C: Oh my back hurts, it's not a very fine day and I'm sick and tired of this office.
M: (Slams door. walks down corridor, opens next door.)
M: Hello, I want to... Ooooh!
H: No, no, no. Hold your head like this, then go Waaah. Try it again.
M: uuuwwhh!!
H: Better, Better, but Waah, Waah! Put your hand there.
M: No.
H: Now..
M: Waaaaah!!!
H: Good, Good! That's it.
M: Stop hitting me!!
H: What?
M: Stop hitting me!!
H: Stop hitting you?
M: Yes!
H: Why did you come in here then?
M: I wanted to complain.
H: Oh no, that's next door. It's being-hit-on-the-head lessons in here.
M: What a stupid concept.

VERY big ROTFLOMO [ . . . is that correct? . . ] Thanks Rob!!!

So, you'd be wanting the Argument Sketch yeah? - have fun,

Grazie

. .Arrgghhh Yer SHot me . . . !!!

The Aurgument Sketch reminds me of Acidsex's post on the ethics of paying for upgrades to Vegas, if anyone remembers that 100+ strong post. ;-)

No he didn't!

A Gem that was.

Rob

By the way, The Argument was too good to leave buried so Iposted it up to the top.

No you didn't!

HAHAH! That is pretty funny. I kind of feel like an idiot, but oh well. LOL

Yes I did!

No you don't!