Jury is back on V7

kkolbo wrote on 10/30/2006, 3:23 PM
I have heard the question over and over about upgrading to V7. I have to admit that the upgrade price was a no-brainer for me, but I look at software differently than some I guess.

The performance improvements with HDV have been well covered and I can tell you that they are considerable. I hear that group in the back saying, "I don't use or care about HDV." Well, I can finally quantify the performance improvement for non-HD users.

My primary and best station is an old 2.8ghtz P4 with a gig of RAM and an 800Mhtz FSB. I have always calculated the render/encode times for DVD by taking a sample render section and extending the time to the rest of the render. Then if it is going to MPEG2, I add three times the running length of the piece for the MPEG2 encode. That has been acurate to within 10% of the actual time required to crunch it out.

With Vegas 7 last night, I set up to render three hours worth of content with the encode to MPEG2. The source was a group of Quicktimes with a different size and a different PAR. I set the quality to BEST to get the best scaling processing. I used the normal MPEG2 settings and bitrates that I always use. The render/encode was complete in 1:1 actual time +- 5%. This was NOT HD content but SD.

If anything my machine has been getting more sluggish with age. All of the sudden, Vegas 7 has cut the encode time by an incredible amount. From 3:1 or more to 1:1.

Now add that to the smart color snapping bars the better handling of grouped events for delets and the extentions of DVDA and it isn't just a no-brainer, it is a must have and a money saver.

Tax and title extra, your mileage may vary.

Keith Kolbo

Comments

p@mast3rs wrote on 10/30/2006, 3:41 PM
Are you using V7 in your classroom? If so, how has it improved your work flow and turn around?
DavidMcKnight wrote on 10/30/2006, 3:50 PM
thanks Keith, I just upgraded today as we're at the end of the special pricing. I waited for common sense, gotta-keep-the-wife-happy reasons. I'm not planning to move to 7 until December. (in the middle of 3 projects and I don't want to switch, but I will do some render tests)
I had not tried a dvd encode with the V7 trial, but I did render a couple of avi's and there wasn't a noticeable increase with my hardware, which is an amd 3500. Looking forward to seeing if my encodes speed up as much as yours have.
DGates wrote on 10/30/2006, 3:56 PM
Now if you just get a new Core 2 Duo computer, you're really gonna see some great results. I use DVD Workshop for my Mpeg encodes, and I was getting similar ratios in regards to render time. A one hour avi file might take 2.5 hours to fully encode and start burning the disc using DVDWS. With the Core 2 Duo, it basically cut the encoding time in half.

I've never used DVD-A, but I'll give it a try-out since it's included with the upgrade I just bought. Although I really like how easy DVDWS has been, it hasn't been upgraded for a couple of years.
kkolbo wrote on 10/30/2006, 4:00 PM
Pm@sters,
We are still on 6 in the classroom. I have other supplies that I need more than the cost of upgrading that many stations. I have 15 bays at the moment. As much as they have provided the program in the past 24 months, I figured going to the well for software upgrade this year would probably be a bad idea. I am going to try to get it in a budget for next year, but I have asked for 5, PD170's so the upgrade may wait again or I may have to have a fund raiser for it. The upgrade at this point would be about $3,600.

For teaching basic video which is the level they are at, sturdy cameras, good mics, portable lighting, and bountiful grip gear are more of a priority. The fact is, 70% of the editing that the students do in their first two years could be done on Movie Studio.
PeterWright wrote on 10/30/2006, 4:23 PM
Yes - with my new Core Duo I encoded a 90 minute timeline to MPEG2, with colour correction for the whole piece - took 60 mins.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 10/30/2006, 5:24 PM
I rendered .mov files to avi (straight transcode) on my core 2 duo in 1/3 real time playback. I was working a convention and someone gave me a few .mov's they wanted to use at the last minute, fortunately I had my laptop handy so I just dropped them on the laptop and I couldn't believe how fast it was, I know straight DV to DV has been at or around realtime for the last couple of versions, but I have NEVER seen 1/3 of playback time for renders.

Later they came with a .VOB for me to render to avi. 1/2 playback time to render. This new version is w/o a doubt faster.

Dave