Just Discovered Named Regions from Trimmer!!WOW!!

Grazie wrote on 9/25/2003, 3:53 AM
Grazie Gets the Picture!

Well, I know it's beeen a long time coming -BUT!

Now I can use the Trimmer to "select" Regions, name them and with the Vegas Explorer Window open, I can go to the AVI file I'd applied Regions to, Pick out that named region and place on timlimne - Yeah, yeah . . it's been a long time coming for me . . . . but I'm there now . .. pheewww!

This is thanks to Nat - THANKS NAT! - who posted some valuable stuff relating to this, here back in Feb of this year. Couldn't find the necessary within the online V4 help file. Did a Search here and Nat came up trumps! - Yeah, yeah, yeah . . I'm sure you others here have been telling me this . . . . needed a "need" to do it for myself.

Can't believe the value of this. It's not quite Trimmer/Named-Regions to Bins, but it'll do for the time being. This means I can gayly swing/scrub through the looooonnngg clip in Trimmer and steal thos shots ready for "plopping" into the timeline - WITHOUT messy up my t/l setup - overlaps, Group/ShuffleMove/Crash! - It makes for a much neater workflow - yeah?

Just another easy-peasy function of V4. Thought I'd get this in as there has been . . .. errrmmmm . .. . something of a downer on V4 of late, and I wanted to bring some balance back - yeah?

One last thought . . . It would be really neat if it had been spelt out in the Online Help. Maybe this is alluded to within the Manual . .haven't looked . . . However I do feel there is, yet again, a need within the now SONY/Vegas selling-team options to bring the advantages of this remarkable s/w TO the potential purchaser . . only a thought . . . .

Regards,

Grazie

Comments

BillyBoy wrote on 9/25/2003, 9:27 AM
Memo to Grazie and others that may not routinely browse the Vegas online help system too often. Click on help, contents, then enter 'What's New in Vegas 4'. Lots of goodies there, just click on the blue links for details on the topics.

Grazie wrote on 9/25/2003, 10:55 AM
Thanks BB - nice to know I'm on a Memo footing with you old boy . .

Grazie
BrianStanding wrote on 9/25/2003, 12:48 PM
Yeah, Grazie. It's a killer feature. I tried to tell you... ;-)

Based on Sony EPM's recent comments, I'm guessing "Regions to Bins" will be in the next release of Vegas. Hurrah!
PeterWright wrote on 9/25/2003, 11:08 PM
another tip, Grazie...

By carefully naming the saved Regions, you can sort their order of display in Region view.

e.g. To sort them into programme order. The name of all Regions intended for the first section of your programme, maybe the intro, will start with A01 up to A99, depending on their expected prder of appearance on the timeline.
So, a Region's name might be "A09 Door opens ..."

Regions for next Section are named B01 etc.

Double clicking in the header of the first column will sort the Regions into the order of the names you have given.

and ... If one captured clip contains all your footage, you can highlight them all and drop the lot on the Timeline, there's your first edit done!
Grazie wrote on 9/26/2003, 12:50 AM
Pete, yeah. I immeadiately did see the options of naming Regions so that using the Sort option would "group" regions for the purposes of further workflow ease. Simply put, I started off naming the regions as Cutaway_001 ; Cutaway_002 . . . . . .. etc etc. . . . . . AND I was just starting to think about the, "you can highlight them all and drop the lot on the Timeline" - but you truly nailed it for me.

With the feedback from SONYVegas, intimating a possible "rework" of this function, things ARE looking up in this Region - hah! It's an area which I can now understand has driven the more advanced users up the wall! . . ..

Thanks Peter,

Grazie
SatanJr wrote on 9/26/2003, 1:26 AM
wow, thats a great trick.
MNJ wrote on 9/26/2003, 3:05 AM
Wow, very useful. It took me a couple minutes to get this right...after naming regions, they don't immediately show up in the Windows Explorer window, but they will if you click the little Save icon in the trimmer window.

I can see myself using this to tag portions of my clips with "Best shot" or something similar, and then going back to my 40-odd clips in explorer to just move the best shots into the timeline.

Thanks Grazie for showing this to us!!
Ben  wrote on 9/26/2003, 5:44 AM
This IS cool. Wouldn't it make more sense though to have the regions view in the media pool, rather than the explorer window? Currently, you have to find which directory your event is in before you can look at the regions you've created.

The file's normally already in the media pool, so putting the region view here (aswell?) would seem logical to me.

Ben

InterceptPoint wrote on 9/26/2003, 8:38 AM
This is clearly an area where Sony needs to make some improvements in Vegas. I would recommend that they take a good hard look at the scheme used in Avid Xpress DV for organizing Bins and generating Sub-Clips. This is much better than the Vegas "Regions" and Media Pool scheme and goes something like this:

1. A project consists of an unlimitied number of Bins for media storage. All media must be in a named Bin.

2. Bins can be grouped in named Folders if desired.

3. The equivalent of a Vegas Region is an Avid Sub-Clip.

4. A Sub-Clip is generated by marking the In and Out points in the Avid equivalent of the Trimmer Window and clicking on a Generate Sub-Clip icon. This puts an Avid named Sub-Clip in the same Bin as the original Clip and the Sub-Clip can then be re-named if desired. This Sub-Clip can then be placed on the Timeline and edited just like it was a separate clip.

Based on my experience with Avid this is a very efficient scheme. You can generate editable subclips from a single long captured file as fast as you can set In and Out points and click on an icon. This would save me mucho time if Vegas could implement a similar Bin & Sub-Clip generation scheme.

Sony: Are You Listening?
Grazie wrote on 9/26/2003, 8:44 AM
MNJ, thanks for recog. - but really I only did a search here on the Forum and back in Feb '03, Nat put me on the road to Damascus - yeah? - I've read this stuff before, but I must admit it went tiotally over my head. NOW I wanted to do something I searched!

. . .and yes InterceptPoint, this whole area IMHO, needs to be "tidyed -up" a bit. After all, I think all the hard work has been done . . .. maybe . . just let's have it a bit more . . well . . . GUI !!

Grazie
BrianStanding wrote on 9/30/2003, 11:39 AM
Another improvement in the Regions function I'd like to see:

In Sound Forge, you can select a region by name from the "Edit Details" window and automatically select the corresponding region in the wave editing window. Why can't Vegas do this and automatically select regions on the timeline? Beats me.... here's hoping it will in Version 5.0.
Grazie wrote on 9/30/2003, 11:57 AM
Yeah - I'll drink to that one too!

Grazie
Nat wrote on 9/30/2003, 12:42 PM
Grazie : glad my tip made someone happy :)
I was quite happy myself when I discovered the region views, I use it all the time now :)
Grazie wrote on 9/30/2003, 2:14 PM
Nat - used it today.

I had a "mess" of clips - run 'n shoot stuff. I knew there was a story in there somewhere . . used your "tip" and there it was - voila!!

I'd been messing about with t/l editing, to get my flow=pace right . . and there was this tool . . great stuff . . . y'know, alot of the "ease" of Vegas isn't 'alf clouded by function - yeah? I feel like I can reach inside the screen now and squueeeeze the stuff into shape . . . like a potter with clay - I really do mean it! - The more I use it the more inttuitive it becomes . . less function and more form . . . .

Shame we can't have some way whereby we can view all Regions, as per Bin thumbnails - go on tell me THAT is in there too?

Thanks again,

Grazie
Nat wrote on 9/30/2003, 2:59 PM
That's the only thing missing I guess, the possibility to drop regions and events in the bin. That would be a great timesaver.... let's cross fingers for next version..
vitalforces wrote on 9/30/2003, 5:49 PM
Can anybody tell me if it's possible to name regions on the timeline and then view them in the explorer window? I have a long project in which I've already synched the external audio but am keeping the in-camera audio track as a scratch track. In other words, I have a string of video clips on the timeline which is grouped with TWO audio timelines below each clip. I don't want to delete the in-camera audio track at this stage because I may need something from it--a garbled word, sound effect, etc.

So, I can't pop them into the Trimmer to add regions without losing one of the audio tracks and having to re-sync the *&@!~ thing all over again. Is there a magic keystroke I'm missing that makes regions I've named on the timeline, viewable in the explorer windows "regions" view?
BrianStanding wrote on 10/1/2003, 11:08 AM
Not in the explorer window; this shows media file markers and regions only. "Edit Details" gives you a view option that lists timeline regions by name, but it is info only, you can't manipulate anything.
vitalforces wrote on 10/1/2003, 4:15 PM
Thanks & etc.