JVC SR-VS30U

Protools_Operator wrote on 1/5/2005, 5:49 AM
Good day everyone, first post here.

I'm looking for advice on studio that will be based on pc/vegas.
I also need a mini-dv/svhs/vhs combo player/recorder that will be able to control vegas with it's shuttle.

The only recorder available I found is the SR-VS30U.
I understand that some of the members own it and my question is how it cooperates with vegas, I know it can handle with SMPTE and JVC says that it has support for NLE but what can it really do? Can Vegas control VS30U? can VS30U control vegas?
Do you recommand an external controller that will control both vegas and VS30U?

I also need an advice on a good professional video card with onboard filters/effects. thought on canopus real-time card.
Budget virtually unlimited (but I don't need to invest on extra features I won't use)

What about a good 5.1 soundcard?
Can I use my DIGI002 hardware (Protools) for recording/playback 5.1? what are the disadvantage (on using a 8in8out soundcard without 5.1 specs).

Thank you!
-Noam

Comments

farss wrote on 1/5/2005, 6:28 AM
No decks shuttle controller can control any NLE that I know of, there's nothing sent back from the deck, it only controls the deck!
Vegas can control a deck though. If you need frame accuracy you need 422 control, pretty much not needed though unless you're doing insert edits straight to tape, doubt you'll be doing that.
None of the video cards / video accelerators work with vegas.
Forget the DIGI002 I think, plenty of better and cheaper gear around.
Maybe the Presonis Firepod would fill your needs?

But I'm thinking maybe you're needing an online system or maybe not?
Some of what you're talking about sounds more like online kit.
Suggest yo do a bit more study, your questions sound like you're a bit out of your depth and you could end up spending a lot of money for nothing.
We really need to know what you're looking to produce in this studio.
Things like do you need realtime video switching etc.
Bob.
VivaVegas wrote on 1/5/2005, 9:20 AM
The srvs30u is a cheap deck it works when it works... but half the time it doesn't. Also this is not a frame accurate deck. The first deck that supports smpte timecode and frame acurate control is the SONY DSR-1800.

Your best bet is to go with the Sony DSR-11 which is supported by Vegas and has locked audio if you use DVCAM Tape

Regards,

Chris
Protools_Operator wrote on 1/6/2005, 12:39 AM
Thank you for the quick answers VivaVegas, farss!

I know the specs sounds very straight and not much thinking over it but the problems is that the studio that need the advice has very restrict specs he needs.,

MiniDV standalone recorder and SVHS standalone won't satisfy the studio, it have to be a combo deck, also they wan't vegas to control it.
They also want a controller to control both vegas and the deck, is it possible? is there any other deck that will do the trick?

They are also locked on the DIGI002 and vegas, any thoghts how to make a good spec out of it that will at least work like they want?:)

About the video card, they want vegas to support it but they are not locked on canopus, they want it to have realtime onboard effects.

Thank you!
-Noam
farss wrote on 1/6/2005, 1:03 AM
OK,
well to start with I think even with a combo deck you don't get external control over the VHS part of it. There used to be VHS decks with some form of external control but I doubt they're still made and. You might still find Panasonic make SVHS deck but they're rather expesnive and quite unnecesary. Mostly used for linear editing deck-deck with an edit controller.
Edit controllers used either LANC or RS 422, I cannot see anyway that any of them would control any NLE systems, I'd include Avid in that. I don't see how it could and even if it could what it achieve, makes no sense at all.

I've got an edit controller for Vegas as do many here (Shuttle) but it cannot control the deck directly, I guess it would or could in Vidcap but I see no use for that either.

Sony do make a deck DHR 1000 or DSR 30 that has a built in edit controller / shuttle, you can hook it up to another deck for linear editing, but Vegas will not see it and I really cannot fathom what you expect to happen even if it could. I think you need to get an understanding of what a NLE is and try to explain it to them.

Vegas supports pretty well ANY video card, it will not make any use of the GPU or any FX hardware to enhance rendering. WIth a real fast CPU it's hardly needed

Can't say about the DIGI002, I've never heard it mentioned on the Audio forum but you could ask over there. In any case if it's a Protools thing I think you can only buy it as part of a SloTools package.

Me thinks whoever these guys are they really don't know WHAT they're trying to achieve! I mean Vegas can record 24 tracks of audio easily and you can get the hardware to support it for a reasonable price (or you could spend a real bundle on high end mic pres).

Please try to find out what they're trying to do, what the workflow is etc.
Half of what they're talking about sounds more like they don't need an NLE at all, or maybe they've come from some of those wierd hybrid systems from the early days.
Bob.
Protools_Operator wrote on 1/6/2005, 3:59 AM
Thanks again farss.
Problem is, they don't really know what the want I guess they just saw some list of features on some websites and combined them all up.

The real problem is they are locked on theyre specs., I can offer an alternative but I'm sure they won't except it. They even don't know anything about vegas, they want to take a course.

The only things they do have are budget and restrict specs.

Well, I guess they'll stick to the SR-VS30U (Pro- w/SMPTE version) because this is the only combo player/recorder I can find.
I understand that vegas will control it without any plugin addon but it will be a lame control (or am I wrong).

What do you think about video cards? with realtime effects? what do you think about canopus solutions?
Lastly, what about a good and cormftable controller for vegas?

I apologize for all the unprofessional questions, you can understand that I don't know much about video studio equipment. I also apologize for my lousy english. :(
-Noam
wombat wrote on 1/6/2005, 7:21 PM
for Protools_Operator

>Can Vegas control VS30U?

Yes, Vegas controls the JVC deck perfectly on the DV side of the deck, including logging in/out capture timecode, capture, and print to tape. On your videocap options/preferences/general tab you need "Enable DV device control" switched on.

However if you are capturing from the VHS side of the deck, you must switch this off - ie. you use the deck's own controls for playback etc. The preview shows in Vegas videocap: you hit capture when you want to start, and stop capture and the deck independently. Similarly you can copy back to the deck's VHS side manually.

>can VS30U control vegas?

no.
Dezine wrote on 1/7/2005, 1:26 PM
Also another nice feature is the ability to send VHS to your computer via firewire without going through a conversion box. It has it's own built in TBC (Time Base Correction) controller, while not the best it's sevriceable. I sometimes will run it out straight firewire, but usually go through my ADVC100 converter box.

I run the SRVS30U thourgh a Canopus ADVC100 converter for greater stability and better color representaion. I am prpbably going to step up to the AVDC300 soon for better enhancing of video footage and the component video out and other professional features.

MLiebegot
farss wrote on 1/7/2005, 2:33 PM
I think you mean LANC control! No you don't need that a Vegas doesn;t directly support LANC. LANC is a Sony control system and well it ain't that flash.
If you want Realtime FXs then you need to look somewhere other than Vegas, yes Canopus do have solutions (hardware and Edius) but then you loose all the nice audio stuff in Vegas.
To be really blunt, when I get a 'client' like this I recommend them to someone I really dislike, the reality is even if you convince then that your solution is better and they take the bait you'll have nothing but grief because they'll always be going back to 'what they really wanted'.
Take my advice, RUN FAST.
Bob.