Last frame in timeline event not correct?

laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 2:22 PM
Probably a simple oversight on my part, but one thing I just noticed... I have a clip consisting of two intercut shots (conversation between person A and B). If I trim the end in so that rather than ending on person A (as the full clip does), it ends with person B, the timline shows the last frame as a still from person A. Just wondering if this is a known thing, or supposed to happen, or what.

Seems to work fine when I work with footage after the fact, trying to make it do the error again.... but in that one instance, it seems to have not worked correctly...

I'm sure I'm just missing something... like having something set differently, or me not understanding something properly... I'll keep tinkering with it in the meantime.

[LATE ADDITION} Seems like it's displaying the NEXT frame after the last actual frame (out point) of the clip (event).

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blink3times wrote on 1/1/2009, 2:27 PM
It sounds like you've trimmed 1/2 a frame. Do you have "quantize frames" off or on? Are you zoomed in far enough to trim properly?
laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 2:31 PM
You can do that???!

Hmmm... Maybe. Where do I set the quantize?

I'll try zooming in/out as well.
laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 2:34 PM
Weird... I'm zoomed in quite close, and it still shows the last frame as the one after the actual out point.

I think I found quantize, but I really can't tell if it's on or not. That's one huge complaint I have about Vegas, is the pulldown menu checkbox things are horrible. The manual claims there should be checkboxes (which would be great), but instead I have this ridiculously subtle 'indent' type of effect on the icons that is almost impossible to read.

Is there some setting for this? I honestly can't tell if these toggle settings are on or off...
TheHappyFriar wrote on 1/1/2009, 2:57 PM
if it has a black box around it, it's enabled/selected. otherwise it's not. pretty plain from what I can see.

either way, if you can move the curser on the TL & it doesn't jump to different frames when you're zoomed in, you turned it off.

All I can suggest is either a) change the contrast/brightness on your monitor/windows theme (don't use those stupid dark-on-dark settings most nle's & 3d apps use. complain pain), b) get a physically bigger monitor or c) get glasses.

the view menu has checkboxes, but the others show the icon that would be put on the menu icon bar. Really smart imho, to give you a graphical representation of what's in the menu.
blink3times wrote on 1/1/2009, 3:22 PM
"You can do that???!"
No... you can't actually cut a frame in 1/2 but if you have the "q" switch off then you can APPEAR to cut off a frame but because you actually didn't cut on the frame boundary... then it didn't actually cut.
farss wrote on 1/1/2009, 4:14 PM
If the cursor is positioned at the end of an event then yes, Vegas displays the first frame of event B. I know this is a brain buster in the wee hours of the morning but it is correct. Frames come AFTER the playback head, time code is for the following frame.
Try to think about it this way. At TC 0 you see frame 1, not frame 0 as there's no such frame.

Bob.
laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 4:22 PM
Ya, that makes sense, but I think I have the opposite issue...

The preview screen shows the correct last frame, but the last thumbnail of the event on the timeline shows the NEXT frame. So if I have a clip with numbers counting up from 1 to 100, and trim in the out point so that the event only goes to 80... then park the time marker on the last frame of the event, .... the preview monitor shows the number 80, yet the last thumbnail of the event shows 81.... or something other than 80.

I can't really test it, as I haven't been able to replicate it again.... Just that one time it happened so far...
Chienworks wrote on 1/1/2009, 5:48 PM
Dunno about checkmarks and black boxes, never seen 'em. On my screens, when an option is selected it's an ever so slightly just barely almost not really darker shade of grey than the menu background. When it's deselected it's an ever so slightly almost but not really very much at all lighter grey that's still darker than the menu background. The difference between selected and deselected is about 1/5 of a hair's thickness. It took a LOT of getting used to in order to be able to tell the difference at a glance. I still find myself clicking some of them several times and watching carefully to see which way it's going.
laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 6:57 PM
Yup.... Pretty flippin' subtle...

All I see is a dotted(?) 1 pixel grey frame when it's active.

Adjusting the icon saturation and tint doesn't help either...

(What the heck is 'Icon Tint' anyway?! Mine just tints things blue... Why would you want that?)