My gut feeling is that CD architect probably didn't sell well enough
on it's own. It will probably be updated in the next Soundforge
release and become part of Sound Forge so you won't have to buy a
seperate redbook CDR program, it will already be part of sound forge
and be a menu item like it is now. They just seem to be following
along to keep up with their competitors. Steinberg's Wavelab 3.0 has
all the abilities of soundforge, plus it has redbook burning within
the program and you can also do multitrack non destructive editing,
something you couldn't do with the combination of CD Architect and
Soundforge, outside of overlapping 2 regions. So my suspiction is
that SF has to change Sound Forge to have these additional abilities
to compete with that. I don't think SF is that dumb to just kill CD
architect, because that would eccentially kill the sales of their
flagship soundforge, because everyone would buy Wavelab because it has
all the essencial tools you need for doing CD mastering in one
software package. I am in no way boasting Steinberg, they're software
has a lot of great features, I'm a professional audio engineer and I
have a hard time trying to do simple edits with their products and if
a piece of software takes me a month to learn how to do simple tasks
then it isn't very efficient for me and probably will never be
mastered by the home musician either. SF user interface on all of
their software is much more intuitive and user friendly. So I would
wait for the next Sound Forge release before you jump ships to another
software company, and try and deal with the bugs for now. Any Sonic
Foundry reps willing to confirm my suspictions?

Brian Franz

Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>Hello all,
>>
>>This is the repply about a question derivated of the email of last
>>minute news.
>>
>>My question was:
>>
>>>But, you added in a near future new CDR drivers? (Or the metod to
>>>add new drivers), is very hard to find any of the recorders of the
>>>CD Architect list (obsolete CDR's), the users need new drivers for
>>>use this program. If you don't release a new drivers the program
>>>goes to the litter when the last CDR of the list be discontinued.
>>
>>the repply was:
>>
>>>Thank you for your response. You are correct and unfortunately
>>>there will not be any future updates of CD Architect. I apologize
>>>deeply for this and hope you will find a work-around for the
>>>program. Thank you.
>>
>>This is all, if any want make any action (legal, a boicot or any
>>other), contact me
>>
>>ideas?
>>
>>Best regards
>>
>>Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>This is the last email I received, my question was "Why is
>>>>discontinued?":
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you for writing to Sonic Foundry. It was an overall
>>>>>company decision since there were a decrease in sales. To
>>>>>my knowledge there will not be a replacement application.
>>>>>Customer service and tech support will continue to support
>>>>>CD Architect, however we no longer will carry it. Thank
>>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>Any oppinions?
>>>>
>>>>All working together, will be force SF to make new CDR
>>>>drivers or the metod of add new drivers (If not, CD
>>>>Architect is dead), I need some support of other users,
>>>>fell free to write me: ramallo@teleline.es .
>>>>
>>>>Best regards
>>>>
>>>>

Brian Franz wrote:
>>My gut feeling is that CD architect probably didn't sell well enough
>>on it's own. It will probably be updated in the next Soundforge
>>release and become part of Sound Forge so you won't have to buy a
>>seperate redbook CDR program, it will already be part of sound forge
>>and be a menu item like it is now. They just seem to be following
>>along to keep up with their competitors. Steinberg's Wavelab 3.0
has
>>all the abilities of soundforge, plus it has redbook burning within
>>the program and you can also do multitrack non destructive editing,
>>something you couldn't do with the combination of CD Architect and
>>Soundforge, outside of overlapping 2 regions. So my suspiction is
>>that SF has to change Sound Forge to have these additional abilities
>>to compete with that. I don't think SF is that dumb to just kill CD
>>architect, because that would eccentially kill the sales of their
>>flagship soundforge, because everyone would buy Wavelab because it
has
>>all the essencial tools you need for doing CD mastering in one
>>software package. I am in no way boasting Steinberg, they're
software
>>has a lot of great features, I'm a professional audio engineer and I
>>have a hard time trying to do simple edits with their products and
if
>>a piece of software takes me a month to learn how to do simple tasks
>>then it isn't very efficient for me and probably will never be
>>mastered by the home musician either. SF user interface on all of
>>their software is much more intuitive and user friendly. So I would
>>wait for the next Sound Forge release before you jump ships to
another
>>software company, and try and deal with the bugs for now. Any Sonic
>>Foundry reps willing to confirm my suspictions?
>>
>>Brian Franz
>>
>>Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>>>Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>This is the repply about a question derivated of the email of last
>>>>minute news.
>>>>
>>>>My question was:
>>>>
>>>>>But, you added in a near future new CDR drivers? (Or the metod to
>>>>>add new drivers), is very hard to find any of the recorders of
the
>>>>>CD Architect list (obsolete CDR's), the users need new drivers
for
>>>>>use this program. If you don't release a new drivers the program
>>>>>goes to the litter when the last CDR of the list be discontinued.
>>>>
>>>>the repply was:
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you for your response. You are correct and unfortunately
>>>>>there will not be any future updates of CD Architect. I
apologize
>>>>>deeply for this and hope you will find a work-around for the
>>>>>program. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>This is all, if any want make any action (legal, a boicot or any
>>>>other), contact me
>>>>
>>>>ideas?
>>>>
>>>>Best regards
>>>>
>>>>Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is the last email I received, my question was "Why is
>>>>>>discontinued?":
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you for writing to Sonic Foundry. It was an overall
>>>>>>>company decision since there were a decrease in sales. To
>>>>>>>my knowledge there will not be a replacement application.
>>>>>>>Customer service and tech support will continue to support
>>>>>>>CD Architect, however we no longer will carry it. Thank
>>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any oppinions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All working together, will be force SF to make new CDR
>>>>>>drivers or the metod of add new drivers (If not, CD
>>>>>>Architect is dead), I need some support of other users,
>>>>>>fell free to write me: ramallo@teleline.es .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Hi Brian,

This is the last email from SF (received today):

(Question: Why is discontinued?)

>Thank you for contacting us. CD Architect has reached it's end of
>life with Sonic Foundry because we are focusing on internet content
>delivery and there were too many new drives coming out each year
>that we could not keep up with for support with CD Arc. Sonic
>Foundry is looking towards new methods of mutli-media delivery and
>are constantly developing new technologies in the internet delivery
>area. I hope this helps to clarify. Thanks again.

Very curious repply, confirm your suspictions?

>>Foundry reps willing to confirm my suspictions?
>>
>>Brian Franz

Best Regards

Sounds like the death toll for Sound Forge and Vegas, as it looks like
SF is going to become another streaming media, Real player, MP3
delivery clone. (What are there now, six or seven?).

I think SF is forgetting that the only way to get Real market share
for web streaming (pun intended) is to GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE.

Bye Bye SF!

Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>Hi Brian,
>>
>>This is the last email from SF (received today):
>>
>>(Question: Why is discontinued?)
>>
>>>Thank you for contacting us. CD Architect has reached it's end of
>>>life with Sonic Foundry because we are focusing on internet content
>>>delivery and there were too many new drives coming out each year
>>>that we could not keep up with for support with CD Arc. Sonic
>>>Foundry is looking towards new methods of mutli-media delivery and
>>>are constantly developing new technologies in the internet delivery
>>>area. I hope this helps to clarify. Thanks again.
>>
>>Very curious repply, confirm your suspictions?
>>
>>>>Foundry reps willing to confirm my suspictions?
>>>>
>>>>Brian Franz
>>
>>Best Regards
>>

Looks like it's time for all of us to start brushing up on our German.
Repeat after me...Steinberg...Steinberg....all together
now...Steiinnn...awwwwk!!! Maybe it's time for me to try out the
Digi001 system before I get too involved with all my SF products,
either that or I have to finally give in and buy a fruit...apple that
is. Apple...now that's almost as hard for me to say as Steinberg is.

Michael Fay wrote:
>>Sounds like the death toll for Sound Forge and Vegas, as it looks
like
>>SF is going to become another streaming media, Real player, MP3
>>delivery clone. (What are there now, six or seven?).
>>
>>I think SF is forgetting that the only way to get Real market share
>>for web streaming (pun intended) is to GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE.
>>
>>Bye Bye SF!
>>
>>Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>>>Hi Brian,
>>>>
>>>>This is the last email from SF (received today):
>>>>
>>>>(Question: Why is discontinued?)
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you for contacting us. CD Architect has reached it's end of
>>>>>life with Sonic Foundry because we are focusing on internet
content
>>>>>delivery and there were too many new drives coming out each year
>>>>>that we could not keep up with for support with CD Arc. Sonic
>>>>>Foundry is looking towards new methods of mutli-media delivery
and
>>>>>are constantly developing new technologies in the internet
delivery
>>>>>area. I hope this helps to clarify. Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>>Very curious repply, confirm your suspictions?
>>>>
>>>>>>Foundry reps willing to confirm my suspictions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brian Franz
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards
>>>>

perhaps instead of threatening to boycott and such (which will never
work), why don't we instead see if we can find someone who can *hack*
the program in such a way so that we can add our own !@#%@$# drive
updates?

Or if Sonic Foundry is really 1) concerned about customer support of
CD Architect and 2) giving up all pursuance of CD-Architect, then they
can provide us themselves with the method for introducing new drives
to CD-Architect.

Envision what an amazing flourishing of drive support users would have
if Sonic Foundry opened up the code to us. I could see many webpages
being developed where users post their results and CD-Architect
continues to be what it once was, a legend.

thoughts?

Ojo

Hi

Great idea.

Bye

Ojo Pajn wrote:
>>perhaps instead of threatening to boycott and such (which will
never
>>work), why don't we instead see if we can find someone who can
*hack*
>>the program in such a way so that we can add our own !@#%@$# drive
>>updates?
>>
>>Or if Sonic Foundry is really 1) concerned about customer support
of
>>CD Architect and 2) giving up all pursuance of CD-Architect, then
they
>>can provide us themselves with the method for introducing new
drives
>>to CD-Architect.
>>
>>Envision what an amazing flourishing of drive support users would
have
>>if Sonic Foundry opened up the code to us. I could see many
webpages
>>being developed where users post their results and CD-Architect
>>continues to be what it once was, a legend.
>>
>>thoughts?
>>
>>Ojo

Good idea, but let's go a step further.

Sonic Foundry: If you are trashing CD Architect from your product line
and really intend to discard it; I will offer $500 for the rights and
source code to the product known as CD Architect. If you don't want it
- sell it!!

Ojo Pajn wrote:
>>perhaps instead of threatening to boycott and such (which will never
>>work), why don't we instead see if we can find someone who can
*hack*
>>the program in such a way so that we can add our own !@#%@$# drive
>>updates?
>>
>>Or if Sonic Foundry is really 1) concerned about customer support of
>>CD Architect and 2) giving up all pursuance of CD-Architect, then
they
>>can provide us themselves with the method for introducing new drives
>>to CD-Architect.
>>
>>Envision what an amazing flourishing of drive support users would
have
>>if Sonic Foundry opened up the code to us. I could see many webpages
>>being developed where users post their results and CD-Architect
>>continues to be what it once was, a legend.
>>
>>thoughts?
>>
>>Ojo

In all honesty I *seriously* doubt that Sonic Foundry would ever
*sell* the rights and source code for Cd-Architect ... maybe to
another software company who wanted to continue the product, but
certainly not to a user, and not for $500 ... sorry.

I *do* still think there's a remote possibility that some kind soul at
Sonic Foundry may be persuaded to make known the exact process for
adding new drive support --- despite what they say, it isn't all that
complicated; there's only a small set of commands that must be
deciphered for each drive, and then tested of course.

I for one am very interested in starting a "campaign" amongst
CD-Architect users to make very loud and clear (and respectful!) our
desire to achieve this end.

Who has ideas of how to start? Who should we contact at Sonic Foundry,
and how should we contact them? Should we start a series of webpages
dedicated to enlisting user support (like a petition?) and public
awareness of this issue? Should some user (who has money!) find an
attorney and communicate to Sonic Foundry through him or her (perhaps
that would lend added legitimacy to our request)? Should we start an
email campaign?

Also, I would think we would need to be able to convincingly
demonstrate that releasing whatever code or processes involved in this
particular task would pose no threat (copyright or anything else) to
Sonic Foundry. As well, the more eloquently we could point out how
*enormously happy & satisfied* the users would be, and how positive
the PR would be, the more we might help our case.

Please, if anyone is out there who can help or has any ideas, let's
get this ball rolling *very* soon.

Sincerely,
Ojo

Michael Fay wrote:
>>Good idea, but let's go a step further.
>>
>>Sonic Foundry: If you are trashing CD Architect from your product
line
>>and really intend to discard it; I will offer $500 for the rights
and
>>source code to the product known as CD Architect. If you don't want
it
>>- sell it!!
>>
>>Ojo Pajn wrote:
>>>>perhaps instead of threatening to boycott and such (which will
never
>>>>work), why don't we instead see if we can find someone who can
>>*hack*
>>>>the program in such a way so that we can add our own !@#%@$# drive
>>>>updates?
>>>>
>>>>Or if Sonic Foundry is really 1) concerned about customer support
of
>>>>CD Architect and 2) giving up all pursuance of CD-Architect, then
>>they
>>>>can provide us themselves with the method for introducing new
drives
>>>>to CD-Architect.
>>>>
>>>>Envision what an amazing flourishing of drive support users would
>>have
>>>>if Sonic Foundry opened up the code to us. I could see many
webpages
>>>>being developed where users post their results and CD-Architect
>>>>continues to be what it once was, a legend.
>>>>
>>>>thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>Ojo

Ojo-

Enabling drive support for any MMC Compatible drive should require no
coding effort on your part.

I know that our recent decision to discontinue CD Architect has
caused concern that future drives will no longer be supported. It is
true that CD Architect will not automatically recognize drives that
are currently not on its list of known drives. However, it will
continue to work fine with any drive that is MMC compliant. Since
the majority of drives arriving to market are fully compliant this
should allow a large choice of drives for you to use with your copy
of CD Architect.

To configure CD Architect to work with an unrecognized MMC (SCSI or
ATAPI) drive you must do the following:
1) Select the “Select Drive…” item from the Options Menu.
2) In the Drive Selection Dialog box press the “Advanced…”
button.
3) If your drive is a SCSI drive select “SCSI MMC Compatible” in
the Drive type list. If your drive is an ATAPI/IDE drive
select “ATAPI MMC Compatible”
4) Select the adapter to which your drive is connected from the
SCSI Host list.
5) Select your drive from the SCSI CD-R list.

Enjoy,
Joel

Ojo Pajn wrote:
>>In all honesty I *seriously* doubt that Sonic Foundry would ever
>>*sell* the rights and source code for Cd-Architect ... maybe to
>>another software company who wanted to continue the product, but
>>certainly not to a user, and not for $500 ... sorry.
>>
>>I *do* still think there's a remote possibility that some kind soul
at
>>Sonic Foundry may be persuaded to make known the exact process for
>>adding new drive support --- despite what they say, it isn't all
that
>>complicated; there's only a small set of commands that must be
>>deciphered for each drive, and then tested of course.
>>

So today they abandon CDA and maroon all it's loyal users
because 'Sales are declining'. What about the existing user base ? Is
there not some implied understanding that from a reputable company
existing users are to expect some sort on ongoing support ?

If this is the treatment we get from SF, it makes me very wary of
ever buying any more of their products, or advising others to ...

Geoff Wood
>>Or if Sonic Foundry is really 1) concerned about customer support
of
>>CD Architect and 2) giving up all pursuance of CD-Architect, then
they
>>can provide us themselves with the method for introducing new