light setup for talking head interviews

Laurence wrote on 7/31/2005, 12:41 PM
I'm getting ready to do a documentary on oil investment scams and will be collecting interviews from around the country for this project. I'll be shooting this with my Sony VX-2000 which is pretty good in low light, but I want to put together a minimal lighting setup for a better image during these interviews. Would anyone recommend going with this approach, or is it two low tech?:

http://www.film-and-video.com/broadcastvideoexamples-30bucks.html

What would be a good low budget compact lighting setup for talking head interviews. Ideally I would like something that packs away small enough to check as luggage on a plane. The first thing I do when I do an interview is turn off the air conditioning, so I'd like it to be cool as well as compact. The VX-2000 doesn't need a whole lot of light. I don't believe a need a full standard lighting kit.

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Spot|DSE wrote on 7/31/2005, 1:00 PM
Those'll work out quite well, but I have to chuckle that Walter's taken to calling them "Graff-lites." Lots of lighting guys have been doing this for years, especially in vehicles, and a couple lighting companies have built their products on essentially this base. Victor Milt shows the use of these in his "Light it Right" DVD as well.

Anyway, lightweight, no pun intended, can be a useful thing. Consider beefing up the flouro's with a small reflector, even if it's just a piece of posterboard bent in a half-circle behind the flouro.
I'd also recommend carrying a couple extra flouro lights in case you need to light more powerfully from one or another angle, or in case you loose a lamp.
Coursedesign wrote on 7/31/2005, 1:09 PM
I've done quite a few interviews, and the best looking ones were always those where I used natural light coming in through a window.

For this, I park the subject on a chair with the window to his or her right (because I think this looks best most of the time) and use a reflector (I use collapsible reflectors that are easy to pack) to fill in their left side.

Of course there are situations where you don't have a window, or it's dark outside, etc. For that, I wouldn't hesitate to use "Grafflights". For transport of these, you really should pack the fluorescent tubes in foam in a separate box (or a large hard PVC tube) though.
winrockpost wrote on 7/31/2005, 1:23 PM
Looks fine to me ,Remember you are still going to need at LEAST a backlight to go with the "Grafflights".
Laurence wrote on 7/31/2005, 1:37 PM
I'm amazed that this is a realistic approach. What about color temperature? I know you can buy color corrected florescent bulbs for home fixtures. I have some of these in my kitchen. Also, what should I be looking for as far as a backlight?
Laurence wrote on 7/31/2005, 1:38 PM
I think Walter said that "his crew" has taken to calling them "Graff-lites", although he doesn't seem to mind it ;-)
winrockpost wrote on 7/31/2005, 2:52 PM
I have never used a setup such as this, but by looking at it I would think all the interviews are going to have to be in very small areas for the lights to work. That being the case you could probably get by with an Arri 150 or similar as a backlight, or a 300 with a dimmer, well either way a dimmer.
Good luck!!
Jay Gladwell wrote on 7/31/2005, 5:50 PM

Laurence, "... spray mount a piece of 1/4 minus green inside the [fluorescent] fixture for correction."


Coursedesign wrote on 7/31/2005, 9:27 PM
Hey guys!

<FLAME ON>

How about being a bit adventurous occasionally?

You've all noticed that 99.9% of all interviews use "interview lighting".

OK, that comes in two flavors, "Standard" and "PBS".

Now keep an eye out for the next interview on TV that is done with natural light.

Think about how it feels to watch this.

If you don't like it, don't use it.

If you see an increased "presence" and "human feel," ponder if this could be handy at times.

That's all I'm saying.

Now you can flame me for being an idiot who "obviously doesn't know how to light interviews."

Perhaps I'm parochial because I spent so many years doing documentaries where 90% of the time you couldn't add any light, so you had to make the best of available light.

I won quite a few awards, but perhaps the judges were strange people who wouldn't have known a three-point lighting setup if it had bit them in the ass.

Just try different techniques and create your own style occasionally. This is also good employment insurance...

<FLAME OFF>
Laurence wrote on 7/31/2005, 10:42 PM
I've always used natural light up until now, but sometimes find it a bit dark and would like to augment it somewhat. The reflector you mentioned in your earlier post close to a window makes a lot of sense.

I still use my VX2000 primarily because it makes such good use of natural light.

On this particular project, I'll be doing a number of interviews at peoples houses and I have no idea what I'll run into. I'd like to have a minimal kit mainly to augment natural light when there isn't enough of it.
Grazie wrote on 7/31/2005, 11:25 PM
I'm starting to see the value of natural light - when I've got it. Problem here is that it comes and goes. Now maybe that can be part of your design for the whole movie - and I too have used this. But, as I want the viewer of the final vid, to concentrate on the "speaker", mostly, I will be wanting the lighting to not interfere with the viewer's experience. But then again, sometimes having light fluctuating over the face and or background can create a needed dramatic effect - I did this when interviewing a Carnival organiser where the sunlight and shadows drifted across her face - she looked great - and the external "out-in-the-open" effect was appropriate and effective.

I've only recently got to grips - literally! - with reflectors. They are a godsend, and make "use" of any ambient and artificially induced lighting you can muster. I've used reflectors to "bring-up" the glow on a speaker's face and ALSO benn - carefully here! - to use another reflector to create that much wanted rear lighting to separate the top of the head from the BG. Now, if you can shorten the depth of field AND soften the focus of the BG you are getting the layer that was there before - making the subject even more dominant and therefore more easil for the viewer to concentrate on. This, IMHO, makes the difference from a well lit/shot piece to a remarkable piece - AND makes the viewing experience so much better. PLUS the viewer will tend to concentrate on what is being said.

Again, it has taken me a not a little time to realise just WHAT I am trying to achieve - it is less than of the "how" [ reflectors, tungsten, softies, gaffer tape, dimmers ] and more of the "what" [ impact, quiet, serenity, lively, creative, spontaneous, hopeful, sadness, reality, fear, anger ] I am trying to achieve.

Many people confuse the "how" with the "what" and think that the "how" will pull them through the "what" - When this happens it is very obvious. It's kinda like starting of a song in the incorrect "key" for your backing band? Yes?

So, pull back and be very critical about what you want to achieve - this is the "what". Once kinda figured out the "how" WILL fall into place.

I hope this helps - it is starting to help me! Hey I'm still figuring how to light a room with loadsa natural light without the need to gaffer up rolls of ND on all the windows! I'll get there . . oh yes .. !

Best regards,

Grazie


( . . this site is still mucking about with me! Seesshh )





Coursedesign wrote on 8/1/2005, 4:03 AM
One of the nice things about fluorescent fixtures is that you can put in 3200K tubes when you need that, and daylight tubes when you want to just add to what's coming in through the windows.

With enough oomph you may not even need to ND the windows...
riredale wrote on 8/1/2005, 8:36 AM
I've used natural light a lot, just because it was there and the most obvious thing to do. The only issue with it is the unpredictability--on a cloudy day the light goes through large swings in color temperature, which then requires that I run the footage through the color-corrector wheels in Vegas.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 8/1/2005, 9:15 AM
Alright, I'll throw in my two cents here. What I would suggest is to have 2 of those type of lights, one using standard room light, and one using "sunlight"(color corrected bulbs).

That way you can have either one at the ready = less setup time.

Get a couple of collapsable reflector disks (ones that have gold and silver are what I usually get) - and a something simple to hold them (they make stands that will work great but you may not want to pay for that, If so - use a pole, give it a way to stand up straight (could be as simple as two books with a gap going one way and then two more books with a gap going the other way, just giving a square hole to place the pole in (heavy books help). And glue some clothes pins to the pole the proper distance apart. Then you can clip the reflector in there and not have to have someone hold it, or have it go moving about etc... (adding a little stick through the bottom of the pole will help to keep it from spinning in place).

There are some great looking interviews that I've done with a simple reflector and a window to backlight with. Just let the BG blow out entirely to give that Stark White BG look, and reflector to kick light back on the face.

Very simple, cheap, and it looks good.

Anyway - my 2 cents right there (however I would suggest that, if you can, get a small spot light that you can use to do bg lighting with. The capabilities will enhance dramatically).

Dave