Making a simple slide show. Getting some pixelation.

grue wrote on 4/25/2002, 8:50 PM
Hello. I am a novice, but am only attempting to create a simple slide show from about 500 images. The images are 640x480 resolution.

Destination will be a CD that will be played back on my DVD player, so I am looking to create a VCD or SVCD. I chose the NTSC VCD as my template for the project and changed the resolution to 640x480 and rendering quality to "Best".

My first try went OK. I lined up the images as specified in the manual, and lined up some audio to go along with it. I then rendered out to MPEG-2, changing the following settings from standard:

640x480 (instead of 480x480)
CBR 2,375,000

It turned out fine, except some images had some pulsating pixelation. There is no motion going on here, only still images. If you want to see a sample of it, I put a 10 sec(~3 megs) clip of it on my website, http://funkygrue.com/trees.mpg

Any tips on getting as much quality from the original pics, and having stable images? Any settings I should be aware of? Should I use Progressive when I render out?

One more thing. I have a widescreen TV, so some letterboxing is ok. I'm going to try a 480x480 test render now to see how that goes.

Thanks!

Tom

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swarrine wrote on 4/26/2002, 7:20 AM
Hi-

I could not view your sample, try using .wmv or .mov.

Try converting a few images to 655 X 480.

How compressed is your output file?

Are you using dissolves?

There could be a variety of things... Best to specifically describe settings you are using.
BillyBoy wrote on 4/26/2002, 7:30 AM
Your error is changing the default resolution. MPEG-2 for SVCD under NTSC is 480x480. PERIOD! That does not mean you want or should change the resolution of the images you use to 480x480. I'm referring to the resolution of the video you're trying to make. For best results the images in your slide shows should be preprocessed to 655x480 size. Also leave the bitrate at the default!

Your DVD player will expand the images all by itself so they will not look blocky.

Cheesehole wrote on 4/26/2002, 5:46 PM
>>>it turned out fine, except some images had some pulsating pixelation. There is no motion going on here, only still images. If you want to see a sample of it, I put a 10 sec(~3 megs) clip of it on my website, http://funkygrue.com/trees.mpg

I haven't seen your sample but have some experience with your problem.

despite the advice given here, I see no reason to resize your still pictures to 655x480. I have created many many of these types of slide shows, and have never resized my pictures to 655x480. your results will not be any better if you resize your source stills. Vegas's scaling engine will take care of that. it's up to you to make sure your aspect ratio's come out right (people don't look too fat or skinny.) it's a good idea to keep your stills at a reasonable resolution so they don't bog down Vegas, but your final quality will be the same either way.

but it sounds like your only complaint is the pulsating pixels. this is a normal effect of mpeg compression when using stills. mpeg was designed to compress motion and doesn't handle stills nearly as well, but you can still get good results.

try adding a quick-blur filter to your images track. increase the blend amount until your pictures just start to look a bit blurrier. this will help the mpeg compression a lot, and will reduce the pulsing.

if you are really picky, you should experiment with the actual compressor settings. increasing the DC coefficient to 10 is a good idea.

instead of the quick-blur, you should try using the median filter with very low settings. this filter is much much slower and will increase your render time quite a bit, but for the absolute best results it is worth experimenting with.

finally, the best way to avoid that pulsating pixel effect is to have actual motion in your movie. panning/zooming on your pictures creates a lot of interesting and dramatic effects. that will open a whole new can of worms for you, but Vegas is especially good at that.

as for progressive vs interlace, I would *definitely* render to progressive. your source material is progressive, so there is no good reason to interlace it.

- ben (cheesehole!)
grue wrote on 4/27/2002, 1:24 PM
Thanks for the tips. I think you understand the problem I am having. I will definitely look closer at the different things you suggest.

Yes, it's not the problem of blocky pictures, but pulsating (I guess my initial header of pixelation wasn't the best description) and it only occurs on pictures with a lot of variation (my example showed a hill covered with bark ground cover).

Thanks!

Tom
Cheesehole wrote on 4/27/2002, 11:25 PM
btw - there is a special mode for VCDs that allow you to store and display stills more effectively. the down-side is you can't be very creative. no transitions or motion. but you won't have any pulsing and the resolution will be much sharper.

www.vcdhelp.com may have some instructions for making a VCD of this type. basically it shows one picture after another like an old slide show. I think Nero can create these types of slide shows, but I'm going from memory.

you wouldn't use vegas for that fyi. it's just a way to get nice sharp still images on a VCD that don't look crappy (so I've heard.)