matching stills to beat of music

stepfour wrote on 1/19/2003, 9:08 PM
Is there an easy way to get a bunch of still pictures to match the beat of a music track. I'm putting a project together that needs to have a rapid succession of stills at various points where some drum, bongo or congo fills are in the music. I searched through past posts but can't find anything that points me in the right direction. Is there a special software involved, or better yet, is there a tutorial floating around on this subject? I'm using VV3. Thanks.

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snicholshms wrote on 1/19/2003, 9:22 PM
2Road:
Here's what I've done before...but I hope there's an easier way!
FIRST!!!! Right click on each still and select "Properties" then select "Resample" and "Reduce Interlace Flicker". If you don't, each still could vibrate during playback...and some still might.
Shrink the timeline slider at the bottom of the timeline until one second is about 1/8 big on the timeline.
Find the first beat you want to start with.
Make each still 1 second (or less if your music beat requires it) in length. Yo umight have to play around with the still length to match the beat. Then make them all the same size. You can do this by overlaying each still over the right-sized still, then move one side in until it exactly covers the correctly-sized still.
Then select "Options">"Enable Snapping".
Put each still on the time line over a beat.
Whew!
williamconifer wrote on 1/19/2003, 9:47 PM
snicholshms wrote:
"FIRST!!!! Right click on each still and select "Properties" then select "Resample" and "Reduce Interlace Flicker". If you don't, each still could vibrate during playback...and some still might."

Another approach is to put a light blur on the video channel in question. I put a Quick Blur on the Video Master FX and set it to .500. TV screens don't handle lines that are 1-2 pixels wide. It seems wrong but a light blur will actually "sharpen" up the image on TV. The resample idea is a good one but unless you could apply it to all stills it think its alot of busy work.

Also don't forget the NTSC color filter so your still colors match the TV colors.

Regarding matching cuts to a beat, you need to get familiar with "reading" an audio wave form. Zoom in a bit on the wave form and listen/watch. You will see the wave sync with the music. If the music doesn't have a pronounced beat then drop markers to the beat and edit accordingly. Remember cut on the 1 or 3 beat primarily or the 2 or 4 beats secondarily in a measure. I find cutting between a beat doesn't work right. If your using a transition have it end on one of the beats not start.

As I recall Magix has an video editor that's total hobby and it advertises that it will sync transitions to a beat automatically. I tried it and found it really buggy and you had define the beat of the music to the software. It wouldn't take an acidized wav and do it automatically. Lame.

Good luck
jack
stepfour wrote on 1/19/2003, 10:23 PM
Thanks. Those suggestions will help me out. Also, I just remembered that I saw a video on the sharing site that had an excellent beginning that had such a sequence of stills. It was a vacation film in Alaska. I need to go back and see who made that and hopefully its creator will chime in with some advice.
FuTz wrote on 1/19/2003, 11:01 PM
While you're listening to your music, you can also hit the "M" key on those special punches you want to add a further special effect/special cut/whatever. It puts a marker for eventual reference.
stepfour wrote on 1/19/2003, 11:41 PM
Thanks, Futz. I wonder if that method will also help me inside the keyframer. There are a few stills that I want to have a several orchestra hits while the camera appears to zoom in in coordination with each hit. I think I know how to position the keyframes to make the zoom effect have distinct leaps but then I have to coordinate that with the music. I've got a lot to do on this one. I still have to find some fill music for certain portions, including the orchestra hits. I knew I would one day regret not learning to play music when I was a kid. Later.
mfranco wrote on 1/20/2003, 2:28 AM
Hi, one suggestion I can add is that you may have to zoom into the timeline to make sure your still falls on exactly the beat you intend it too. I use the match the picture to the wave file method here at work and most of the time although I think I have the events in perfect sync I'm off by a few frames. I've learned to zoom far enough into the timeline so that the cursor keys jump one frame at a time. Also you may have to turn on quantize to frames to get events to line up.

A question for anyone: Is it possible to use a midi sync into vegas to add markers or regions to the timeline or the media control bar?

- franco
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 1/20/2003, 6:30 AM
If you hi-light the time line with the curser from one beat to the next, then put the still in the trimmet hit the ADD MEDIA from cursor (A) the picture fills the area in the timeline and the highlighted bit moves over ready for the next clip
barleycorn wrote on 1/20/2003, 7:02 AM
This is the kind of thing which Vegas 4's scripting might take care of: set a start time and an end time, specify a time interval (this assumes the tempo doesn't vary) and set of stills, run the script and hey presto.

Ideally it would be possible to programatically search for each peak over a certain level and insert a still for each match but this would seem to be more the province of Sound Forge.

Very pleasantly surprised that scripting is now a possiblility. Very excited. Looking forward to having a look at the object model.
Tyler.Durden wrote on 1/20/2003, 7:24 AM
This might be easy:

Drop your same-duration stills in the TL butted together and group them all.

Ctrl-drag the last one (which should stretch-compress them all) until they hit the beats right.


HTH, MPH

Tips:
http://www.martyhedler.com/homepage/Vegas_Tutorials.html
flashlight wrote on 1/20/2003, 9:21 AM
If the music was not recorded to a click/metronome, it will be difficult to do this automaticaly.

Most professional music is recorded to a click. Another method might be to change the time view (right click on the time code)to "Beats and Measures." Turn on the metronome (Options Menu). Butt the music up to the far left. Open up file/properties/ruler tab. Keep adjusting the number until the metronome and the beat of the music match. If you start at the beginning of the timeline, the first click will be on. From there you can determine if the click is too fast or too slow. Adjust until it lines up.

Once you do this, the grid which is showing beats and measures will line up perfectly with the music. You can just snap your pictures to the grid. I have done this a number of times. It takes about 5 minutes to get it right, but it will save you a lot of time after that.

Al
Randy Brown wrote on 1/20/2003, 10:00 AM
Great idea Al, I would also throw this in: check the song at the intro with a metronome and then go to end to make sure they did indeed use a click track. If the tempo is the same then your technique would be a big time saver!
If it didn't match up then it seems Marty's technique would work for at least several bars at a time.
Randy
stepfour wrote on 1/20/2003, 2:04 PM
One of the good~ things about Vegas is that there are so many ways to do everything. Sometimes it's a bit confusing. I'm going to play with flashlight's method but will probably end up using something more like martyh's method. By the way, martyh, I used your type-on tutorial for the first time yesterday and it worked perfectly, except I do need to sync-up the sound effects in that, too. I think guys like you and Timothy Duncan (amongst others) will end of bringing true V4 proficiency to the masses. Anyone who hasn't seen Duncans WMV Motion Blur tutorial for V4 might want to take a peek. Really slick and you get to see it happen. Link: http://www.zapdigital.com/v4.htm