Max frame size still 4096 X 4096?

SurpassCap wrote on 9/29/2016, 11:26 PM

I read up that in Sony Vegas 9 the max frame size was upped to 4096 X 4096. And from the starter codecs in Vegas 14 it seems like that's still the max? Is there a work around this? Plans to update it to 8K resolution? Most of what I work with is 4K but I had some pictures that are far beyond 8K and I was hoping I could use the somewhat established video res 8K. Specifically 7680 X 4320.

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john_dennis wrote on 9/29/2016, 11:50 PM

I just loaded the Vegas 14 trial this evening and no matter what number larger than 4096 I enter into the project properties width and height boxes they go back to 4096. 

 

Marco. wrote on 9/30/2016, 3:37 AM

Yes, it's limited to 4096 x 4096.

Joanie-Lemercier wrote on 1/22/2019, 12:47 PM

Wow, this is a huge limitation, I guess they fixed it since 2016 ?

Kinvermark wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:00 PM

@Joanie-Lemercier

Let's keep this to one thread only please. Can't jump between three.

john_dennis wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:06 PM

"Wow, this is a huge limitation, I guess they fixed it since 2016 ?"

Could you give us a paragraph on how this huge limitation is reducing your monthly income, losing you potential clients or otherwise degrading the quality of you work or personal life.

I've used nine versions of Vegas Pro and I've yet to be affected by the limitation.

Kinvermark wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:09 PM

Ack, there are now FOUR active threads on the first page about this. Which one we gonna use?

I too would like to hear about the various reasons people have for needing this capacity. I have one: program interchange. But it is a small need/want.

Joanie-Lemercier wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:13 PM

Any road map on a potential update on the resolution limitation, or do you think I shouldn't expect this option any time soon ?
Many thanks

Joanie-Lemercier wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:16 PM

"Wow, this is a huge limitation, I guess they fixed it since 2016 ?"

Could you give us a paragraph on how this huge limitation is reducing your monthly income, losing you potential clients or otherwise degrading the quality of you work or personal life.

I've used nine versions of Vegas Pro and I've yet to be affected by the limitation.

I've seen 50+ request in 5 minutes browsing, I'm guessing it's a big deal not just for me, but for a fair amount of users.

I don't want to move to adobe like everyone else, I'd rather support Vegas, I'm sure they might be aware of that issue right ?

john_dennis wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:24 PM

"I'm guessing it's a big deal not just for me..."

I am honestly trying to understand why it's such a big deal.

I suspect changing it in Vegas might be a big deal.

Kinvermark wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:30 PM

Please, let's have some ACTUAL REAL WORLD USE CASES listed here. My mind is open and waiting...

@Joanie-Lemercier please tell us your reasons.

Joanie-Lemercier wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:35 PM

I do a lot of video projection on architecture, and all our projects moved way above 4096 about 4 years ago.
I rarely do <4096 projects, but still I'd love to use Vegas.

I think it would be useful for 4k stereo, and any multi display projects..
 

john_dennis wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:42 PM

That was the first potential use I thought about. I've also began seeing green screen replacements on TV news shows where the background is made up of an array of FHD or UHD displays. Probably not a huge market driver at the moment.

Kinvermark wrote on 1/22/2019, 1:48 PM

Cool. I think @Steve_Rhoden was also interested in this. So what format do you output and how do you project it? (The details are helpful in making a case for the developers.)

 

 

wwjd wrote on 1/23/2019, 7:44 AM

First and last reason: the COMPETITION already supports 8k. [drops mic]

Kinvermark wrote on 1/23/2019, 8:22 AM

@wwjd

That's not an explanation that helps the developers with implementation.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to share some details that explain PRECISELY what you need. ( I think in the past you mentioned "archival" or "master" which is likely a different render format than "broadcast.")

wwjd wrote on 1/23/2019, 8:45 AM

The simple answer is provide the same output set that Resolve, Premiere and others provide.

More specific to MY needs would be: same as Vegas current render outputs but in 8k for future proofing and future deeper editing. MP4, mpeg, hevc etc

8K TVs and monitors are a year or two away, but saving output that way NOW would help. As is, I must use other software to deal with Red Helium footage

 

As good as 4k showing in HD is, same will be true of 8k shown in 4k.

Kinvermark wrote on 1/23/2019, 9:12 AM

So your "specific" needs are... everything. :)

Resolve has far fewer render options than Vegas, and not all support 8k. Premiere and "others" I don't know and don't care to find out.

For future deeper editing, the best is to keep the source files and the project files. Storage is super cheap, so archival is not really an issue. You don't want to double render your super HQ 8k.

IMO it would be a monumental job to add 8k to ALL Vegas formats. However, it might be possible to do one or two, in which case a good lossless (near lossless) intermediate and perhaps a Web export type would be a good place to start.

Personally, I have no need for 8k export for presentation, but would like to take >4k camera files and "render at source resolution" for further processing in other applications.

 

 

wwjd wrote on 1/23/2019, 11:27 AM

Kinvermark, I also agree with matching camera resolution part. Would be nice.

Joanie-Lemercier wrote on 1/24/2019, 12:53 PM

So what format do you output and how do you project it? (The details are helpful in making a case for the developers.

Any "easy" output format will do: jpg seq, hevc/h265, hap.

Not many codecs allow large resolution export but those 3 work out of the box, if only 4096*4096 wasn't hardcoded by the devs.

 

The projection (multi output) is done in projection and video mapping softwares: madmapper, resolume, D3 etc..

Kinvermark wrote on 1/24/2019, 12:58 PM

Thanks!

Joanie-Lemercier wrote on 1/28/2019, 8:28 AM

Quick update, the devs acknowledge the request, but fail to give any information about a roadmap..
https://twitter.com/vegassoftware/status/1088484280425238529

Sadly I have to look into other softwares, what a waste, I'd rather support vegas than adobe.. :(
See you in 2020 or 2022 to see if any progress has been done then.